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What is Dukkha Satya?

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 8:28 pm
by SarathW
What is Dukkha Satya?

In the following video in Sinhalese language Ven Kumara Kassapa mentioned that Dukkha Satya (first Noble Truth) is not mental suffering and physical suffering.
He said what is not mental and physical suffering is the Dukkha Satya according to Buddhist teaching.
What is it?
What he said was Dukkha and Dukkha Satya are two different things.


Re: What is Dukkha Satya?

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:37 pm
by DooDoot
Its seeing/knowing the truth. There is: (i) suffering without understanding suffering and there is (ii) suffering with understanding suffering. The 1st Sermon says: "this noble truth of suffering is to be comprehended".

If you meditate & see clearly how the arising of clinging towards any aggregate, including jhanas, is disturbing (suffering), this is comprehending the 1st noble truth or dukkha sacca.

But if you suffer without seeing how suffering arises, this is ordinary dukkha or blind dukkha.

Re: What is Dukkha Satya?

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2018 7:09 am
by SarathW
Thanks DD.
It appears that Dukkha Arya Satya is realised at least you becoming a Sotapanna.
This is my understanding after listening to the following video in the Sinhalese language.


Re: What is Dukkha Satya?

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 10:13 am
by SarathW
He divides four Noble Truths into eight.
- Dukkha and Dukkha Satya
- Dikkha Samudaya and Dukkha Samudaya Satya
- Dukkha Nirodha and Dukkha Nirodha Satya
- Marga and Marga Satya.
He is referring to some Sutta sounds like "Yantrapkaranaya"
Are any of you have heard this division before?
If so what it is?
The following video is in Sinhalese language.

Re: What is Dukkha Satya?

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:05 pm
by SarathW
Thankfully this morning I understood what it means by Anicca.
Many of us understand Anicca as the impermanence of the objects. (house, car, table etc)
What Buddha taught was the impermanence of the six senses.
Once you understand that the eye (not the physical eye) is impermanence you fully understand the impermanence of all seen. (house, car, table and anything come to contact with your eye.)
I am sure for many of you this is nothing new but for me, it is a new revelation.
:anjali:

Video in the Sinhalese language.



Re: What is Dukkha Satya?

Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:17 am
by justindesilva
SarathW wrote:
Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:05 pm
Thankfully this morning I understood what it means by Anicca.
Many of us understand Anicca as the impermanence of the objects. (house, car, table etc)
What Buddha taught was the impermanence of the six senses.
Once you understand that the eye (not the physical eye) is impermanence you fully understand the impermanence of all seen. (house, car, table and anything come to contact with your eye.)
I am sure for many of you this is nothing new but for me, it is a new revelation.
:anjali:

Video in the Sinhalese language.


Once this dukka satya is applied to paticca samuppada damma can be seen extremely clearly. All 12 nidanas of paticca samuppada embrace anicca.

Re: What is Dukkha Satya?

Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:31 am
by Dinsdale
SarathW wrote:
Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:05 pm
Thankfully this morning I understood what it means by Anicca.
Many of us understand Anicca as the impermanence of the objects. (house, car, table etc)
What Buddha taught was the impermanence of the six senses.
Once you understand that the eye (not the physical eye) is impermanence you fully understand the impermanence of all seen. (house, car, table and anything come to contact with your eye.)
I am sure for many of you this is nothing new but for me, it is a new revelation.
Yes, all three "components" of phassa ( contact ) are transient and conditional.

Re: What is Dukkha Satya?

Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:32 am
by Dinsdale
SarathW wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 8:28 pm
What he said was Dukkha and Dukkha Satya are two different things.
Doesn't "satya" mean "truth"? So "dukkha satya" just means the truth of suffering?

Re: What is Dukkha Satya?

Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:27 am
by SarathW
Yes, all three "components" of phassa ( contact ) are transient and conditional.
Agree. That is the Dukkha Satya.
Many people see the suffering only in the object. That is not seen in the Dukkha satya.

Re: What is Dukkha Satya?

Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 11:04 pm
by SarathW
Doesn't "satya" mean "truth"? So "dukkha satya" just means the truth of suffering?
Ordinary Dukkha is understood by many people.
Dukkha Satya is only understood by Ariya (Sotapanna for the first time)

Re: What is Dukkha Satya?

Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2018 3:38 am
by justindesilva
SarathW wrote:
Sat Aug 11, 2018 11:04 pm
Doesn't "satya" mean "truth"? So "dukkha satya" just means the truth of suffering?
Ordinary Dukkha is understood by many people.
Dukkha Satya is only understood by Ariya (Sotapanna for the first time)
Ven Galigamuwe Gnanadipa thero explains Dukka satya in a series of u tube ( sinhala) sermons. To me they are clear as he explains the connection between tanha , passa ( contact) and salayatana from paticca samuppada. As sarath states it may be true that only sotapanna and beyond can understand arya dukka satya. But I trust that any ordinary layman can see or visualise is able to understand what arya dukka satya is. Such a sight is like seeing an island from a far away boat in an ocean. But with endurance ( virya) just as the boat gets closer to the island a layman on the path of arya ashtanga marga , a non aryan ( but in the path) can understand arya dukka satya. But as lord budda explained to deva Rohitassa , we have to make investigations ( re paticca samuppada ) from within , but not by identifying dead body , sick people , sicknesses etc. of external objects. It is imperative that we must first understand anitya too from within.

Re: What is Dukkha Satya?

Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2018 3:55 am
by SarathW
But I trust that any ordinary layman can see or visualise is able to understand what arya dukka satya is.
Agree.
There are many levels and types of Sotapanna.