What experiences happiness in Nibbana?

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Re: What experiences happiness in Nibbana?

Post by mikenz66 » Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:04 am

Saengnapha wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:13 am
Sam Vara wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:43 am
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To me, when someone says something like this:
Buddha, alone of all teachers and gurus, taught total and complete selfless ness', this is abusive. Wake up. :tantrum:
Well, that's essentially what he is reported to have said himself.

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Re: What experiences happiness in Nibbana?

Post by Saengnapha » Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:47 pm

mikenz66 wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:04 am
Saengnapha wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:13 am
Sam Vara wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:43 am
Abusive posts and material removed.

Contributors, please remember that abusive language disrupts discussion and will not be allowed.
To me, when someone says something like this:
Buddha, alone of all teachers and gurus, taught total and complete selfless ness', this is abusive. Wake up. :tantrum:
Well, that's essentially what he is reported to have said himself.

:focus:

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Mike
So someone gets to repeat this as truth? And, what was the context of him saying that? Lots of assumptions are being made.

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Re: What experiences happiness in Nibbana?

Post by Dinsdale » Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:10 pm

Saengnapha wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:47 pm
mikenz66 wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:04 am
Saengnapha wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:13 am

To me, when someone says something like this:
Buddha, alone of all teachers and gurus, taught total and complete selfless ness', this is abusive. Wake up. :tantrum:
Well, that's essentially what he is reported to have said himself.

:focus:

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Mike
So someone gets to repeat this as truth? And, what was the context of him saying that? Lots of assumptions are being made.
:focus:
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Re: What experiences happiness in Nibbana?

Post by TRobinson465 » Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:45 pm

I've found that, compared to other Buddhist discussion groups I'm in. This forum has a generally high threshold for abuse. Swearing is abuse. Attacking other people personally is abuse. Pretty much anything else is fine on this forum.
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"Go forth, monks, for the good of the many, for the happiness of the many, out of compassion for the world, for the welfare, the good and the happiness of gods and men. Let no two of you go in the same direction." - First Khandhaka, Chapter 11, Vinaya.

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Re: What experiences happiness in Nibbana?

Post by cappuccino » Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:05 pm

"Furthermore, the monk who is a learner reflects, 'Is there outside of this [doctrine & discipline] any brahman or contemplative who teaches the true, genuine, & accurate Dhamma like the Blessed One?' And he discerns, 'No, there is no brahman or contemplative outside of this doctrine & discipline who teaches the true, genuine, & accurate Dhamma like the Blessed One.' This too is a manner of reckoning whereby a monk who is a learner, standing at the level of a learner, can discern that 'I am a learner.'
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Re: What experiences happiness in Nibbana?

Post by mikenz66 » Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:52 pm

Saengnapha wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:47 pm
mikenz66 wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:04 am
Saengnapha wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:13 am

To me, when someone says something like this:
Buddha, alone of all teachers and gurus, taught total and complete selfless ness', this is abusive. Wake up. :tantrum:
Well, that's essentially what he is reported to have said himself.

:focus:

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Mike
So someone gets to repeat this as truth? And, what was the context of him saying that? Lots of assumptions are being made.
Sorry, I've no idea what you are objecting to.

I was referring to this:
There are some ascetics and brahmins who claim to propound the complete understanding of all kinds of grasping. But they don’t correctly describe the complete understanding of all kinds of grasping. They describe the complete understanding of grasping at sensual pleasures, but not views, precepts and observances, and theories of a self. Why is that? Because those gentlemen don’t truly understand these three things. That’s why they claim to propound the complete understanding of all kinds of grasping, but they don’t really.
https://suttacentral.net/mn11/en/sujato#sc15
Or Bhikkhu Bodhi's translation: https://suttacentral.net/mn11/en/bodhi#sc12

Of course it's a little more nuanced than "Buddha, alone of all teachers and gurus, taught total and complete selfless ness"...

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Re: What experiences happiness in Nibbana?

Post by rightviewftw » Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:13 pm

no,no, no, not only the Buddha, all the teaching Buddhas :)
He goes to Niraya, the one who asserts what didn't take place, as does the one who, having done, says, 'I didn't.' Both — low-acting people — there become equal: after death, in the world beyond.
Tyranny of Words - An Introduction to General Semantics
How to Meditate: Mindfulness of Breathing
Factors of Enlightenment & Perceptions
How to Meditate: Basic Satipatthana
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Re: What experiences happiness in Nibbana?

Post by Saengnapha » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:30 am

mikenz66 wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:52 pm
Saengnapha wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:47 pm
mikenz66 wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:04 am

Well, that's essentially what he is reported to have said himself.

:focus:

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Mike
So someone gets to repeat this as truth? And, what was the context of him saying that? Lots of assumptions are being made.
Sorry, I've no idea what you are objecting to.

I was referring to this:
There are some ascetics and brahmins who claim to propound the complete understanding of all kinds of grasping. But they don’t correctly describe the complete understanding of all kinds of grasping. They describe the complete understanding of grasping at sensual pleasures, but not views, precepts and observances, and theories of a self. Why is that? Because those gentlemen don’t truly understand these three things. That’s why they claim to propound the complete understanding of all kinds of grasping, but they don’t really.
https://suttacentral.net/mn11/en/sujato#sc15
Or Bhikkhu Bodhi's translation: https://suttacentral.net/mn11/en/bodhi#sc12

Of course it's a little more nuanced than "Buddha, alone of all teachers and gurus, taught total and complete selfless ness"...

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Mike
It is said in reference to what that cup of cold coffee said, not to you.

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Re: What experiences happiness in Nibbana?

Post by mikenz66 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 7:07 am

Sorry I have no idea what you are talking about. I suggest returnibg to the topic.

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Re: What experiences happiness in Nibbana?

Post by rightviewftw » Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:15 pm

Saengnapha wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:13 am
To me, when someone says something like this:
Buddha, alone of all teachers and gurus, taught total and complete selfless ness', this is abusive. Wake up. :tantrum:
The Lion's Roar
...61. And the Blessed One spoke, saying: "In whatsoever Dhamma and Discipline, Subhadda, there is not found the Noble Eightfold Path, neither is there found a true ascetic of the first, second, third, or fourth degree of saintliness. But in whatsoever Dhamma and Discipline there is found the Noble Eightfold Path, there is found a true ascetic of the first, second, third, and fourth degrees of saintliness.[54] Now in this Dhamma and Discipline, Subhadda, is found the Noble Eightfold Path; and in it alone are also found true ascetics of the first, second, third, and fourth degrees of saintliness. Devoid of true ascetics are the systems of other teachers. But if, Subhadda, the bhikkhus live righteously, the world will not be destitute of arahats.

62. "In age but twenty-nine was I, Subhadda,
When I renounced the world to seek the Good;
Fifty-one years have passed since then, Subhadda,
And in all that time a wanderer have I been
In the domain of virtue and of truth,
And except therein, there is no saint
(of the first degree).

"And there is none of the second degree, nor of the third degree, nor of the fourth degree of saintliness. Devoid of true ascetics are the systems of other teachers. But if, Subhadda, the bhikkhus live righteously, the world will not be destitute of arahats." dn16
Lesser creatures tremble when the Lion Roars
He goes to Niraya, the one who asserts what didn't take place, as does the one who, having done, says, 'I didn't.' Both — low-acting people — there become equal: after death, in the world beyond.
Tyranny of Words - An Introduction to General Semantics
How to Meditate: Mindfulness of Breathing
Factors of Enlightenment & Perceptions
How to Meditate: Basic Satipatthana
Parallel Dhammapada Reading

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