Recently I read something online, can't find the link now.
Anyway, the scholar says something like this:
When we sit down and do nothing, it becomes hard for us, NOT because doing nothing is hard. But when we have nothing to do, we are forced to come face to face with the inner demons, subconscious impulses, suppressed anger, hidden desires, etc.
So what he's essentially saying is: doing nothing isn't the problem. It simply exposes the problems inside, which is why we are constantly engaged in some activity.
Now if this is the case, then wouldn't it make the 'idle mind-devil's workshop' saying true? If so, why bother with meditation when it's only going to bring out the worst from inside of you?
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From Bhante Gunaratana:
https://realization.org/p/namedoc/mindf ... ipe.5.htmlEverything is dangerous. Walk across the street and you may get hit by a bus. Take a shower and you could break your neck. Meditate and you will probably dredge up various nasty-matters from your past. The suppressed material that has been buried there for quite some time can be scary. It is also highly profitable. No activity is entirely without risk, but that does not mean that we should wrap ourselves in some protective cocoon. That is not living. That is premature death. The way to deal with danger is to know approximately how much of it there is, where it is likely to be found and how to deal with it when it arises. That is the purpose of this manual. Vipassana is development of awareness. That in itself is not dangerous, but just the opposite. Increased awareness is the safeguard against danger. Properly done, meditation is a very gently and gradual process. Take it slow and easy, and development of your practice will occur very naturally. Nothing should be forced. Later, when you are under the close scrutiny and protective wisdom of a competent teacher, you can accelerate your rate of growth by taking a period of intensive meditation. In the beginning, though, easy does it. Work gently and everything will be fine.
Liberation is the inevitable fruit of the path and is bound to blossom forth when there is steady and persistent practice. The only requirements for reaching the final goal are two: to start and to continue. If these requirements are met there is no doubt the goal will be attained. This is the Dhamma, the undeviating law.
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This the reason why people should practice meditation by following the Noble Eightfold Path.
It start from right view then follow to right concentration.
Without this people get in to wrong concentration which is dangerous.
It start from right view then follow to right concentration.
Without this people get in to wrong concentration which is dangerous.
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learning Meditation is like learning to swim or cycle. This is something which we cannot learn by reading a book.But it has to be experienced and is not difficult while it need not be feared to start on.alfa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:34 am Recently I read something online, can't find the link now.
Anyway, the scholar says something like this:
When we sit down and do nothing, it becomes hard for us, NOT because doing nothing is hard. But when we have nothing to do, we are forced to come face to face with the inner demons, subconscious impulses, suppressed anger, hidden desires, etc.
So what he's essentially saying is: doing nothing isn't the problem. It simply exposes the problems inside, which is why we are constantly engaged in some activity.
Now if this is the case, then wouldn't it make the 'idle mind-devil's workshop' saying true? If so, why bother with meditation when it's only going to bring out the worst from inside of you?
Yet we have to realize that there are mainly two types of meditation of which anapana sati ( meditation on breathing) or metta bhavana ( meditation on compassion
or loving kindness) falls in to the category of samatha or consolation which really cools down with joy and rapture.
The second type is insight ( vipassana) which falls in to many categories. Of course it is good to start vipassana meditation with an experieced person.
The next to observe is that ana pana sati meditation has to be experienced while seated ( best is lotus posture called padmasana) without moving the body.
Vilpassana meditation can be done while being seated, standing , walking or on sleeping posture.
Yet we must realise that mere concentration and meditation is not the same. Meditation is a means to create awareness of consciousness and the link of consciousness with our own internal system along with nature ( damma).
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Because nothing is more dangerous than an untamed mind! Don't let yourself get carried away by the flood; make an effort with hands and feet. It's as if your hair were on fire, it is that serious. We're under a spell like Dorothy in the poppy field. When you see the first noble truth with a measure of clarity, you can't be truly complacent with becoming or sense pleasures. 'Doing nothing' is not meditation; you take your mind and knock out larger (defiled) pegs with smaller, more refined ones. You cultivate what is wholesome with your attention, starving defilements. Jhāna takes a great deal of effort just starting. It's not 'just sitting'.
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The danger as in becoming too engrossed in their own world and lost touch with outside world. Some may be percieved as abnormal in a psychological sense.
If one start to percieve supernatural vision or voice, that is again treated as some serious symptoms by mental health professionals. Geeting help else where, the meditator will need some help from experienced meditators that accept such aspects. Sounds dangerous?
If one start to percieve supernatural vision or voice, that is again treated as some serious symptoms by mental health professionals. Geeting help else where, the meditator will need some help from experienced meditators that accept such aspects. Sounds dangerous?
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Not really. Buddhist style meditation is not idleness of mind. Awareness becomes focused and pointed. And then pointed at what is appropriate to point it at and pointed away from what is inappropriate to point it at. That's the opposite of idleness. Idleness would actually be just sleeping in and skipping the meditation.
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Ajahn Brahm tells a nice story about how Sam Atha and Vi Passana take their dog Metta for a walk in the hills of insight.
For me it's like a journey of discovery. Self-discovery can be very uncomfortable at times, but I also find it fascinating, illuminating and liberating.
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Inside is outside, and meditation puts you into a position where you can see this clearly, and with time and so on, maybe find resting peace in the way it is
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It may be nothing more than a drug to help make you more insensitive and then call it tranquility.Crazy cloud wrote: ↑Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:50 amInside is outside, and meditation puts you into a position where you can see this clearly, and with time and so on, maybe find resting peace in the way it is
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I don't think peace has anything to do with time or watching inside/outside. Peace is another thing we grasp because we are led to believe there is such a thing.
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The type of meditation described above where one "does nothing" sounds like some kind of lite pseudo-Zen.alfa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:34 am Recently I read something online, can't find the link now.
Anyway, the scholar says something like this:
When we sit down and do nothing, it becomes hard for us, NOT because doing nothing is hard. But when we have nothing to do, we are forced to come face to face with the inner demons, subconscious impulses, suppressed anger, hidden desires, etc.
So what he's essentially saying is: doing nothing isn't the problem. It simply exposes the problems inside, which is why we are constantly engaged in some activity.
Now if this is the case, then wouldn't it make the 'idle mind-devil's workshop' saying true? If so, why bother with meditation when it's only going to bring out the worst from inside of you?
It is only to be expected that troubles will come from that type of "meditation".
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That's what I say, mate ...Saengnapha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:41 pmIt may be nothing more than a drug to help make you more insensitive and then call it tranquility.Crazy cloud wrote: ↑Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:50 amInside is outside, and meditation puts you into a position where you can see this clearly, and with time and so on, maybe find resting peace in the way it is
Best!
I don't think peace has anything to do with time or watching inside/outside. Peace is another thing we grasp because we are led to believe there is such a thing.
If you didn't care
What happened to me
And I didn't care for you
We would zig-zag our way
Through the boredom and pain
Occasionally glancing up through the rain
Wondering which of the
Buggers to blame
And watching for pigs on the wing
- Roger Waters
What happened to me
And I didn't care for you
We would zig-zag our way
Through the boredom and pain
Occasionally glancing up through the rain
Wondering which of the
Buggers to blame
And watching for pigs on the wing
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Crazy cloud wrote: ↑Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:07 pmThat's what I say, mate ...Saengnapha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:41 pmIt may be nothing more than a drug to help make you more insensitive and then call it tranquility.Crazy cloud wrote: ↑Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:50 am
Inside is outside, and meditation puts you into a position where you can see this clearly, and with time and so on, maybe find resting peace in the way it is
Best!
I don't think peace has anything to do with time or watching inside/outside. Peace is another thing we grasp because we are led to believe there is such a thing.
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Sadly - as I see it - Westernized Buddhism and newcomers to it tend to focus on teaching meditation, almost to the exclusion of the other seven factors, as if meditation was all that Buddhists do.
Like you said, right view is needed to be established to produce right intentions, and right intentions give strength to right speech, action, livelihood, and effort, all of which prepares the mind with the necessary foundation for proper right concentration & meditation.
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Hello:
Well i disagree with the "meditation is doing nothing" statement, but yes, like with everything, there is a potential danger in doing the meditation.
Why bother with meditation when it's only going to bring out the worst from inside of you?, i also don´t think that is right, it shouldn´t only bring out the worst inside of you, but it could. If that happens, either you overcome it, getting emotional relieve, or you take it the wrong way, and that is the danger.
Regards.
Well i disagree with the "meditation is doing nothing" statement, but yes, like with everything, there is a potential danger in doing the meditation.
Why bother with meditation when it's only going to bring out the worst from inside of you?, i also don´t think that is right, it shouldn´t only bring out the worst inside of you, but it could. If that happens, either you overcome it, getting emotional relieve, or you take it the wrong way, and that is the danger.
Regards.