Why Buddha can't tell "yes I will"?
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The Buddha educated, encouraged, fired up, and inspired her with a Dhamma talk. Then she said to the Buddha: “Sir, may the Buddha together with the mendicant Saṅgha please accept tomorrow’s meal from me.” The Buddha consented in silence. Then, knowing that the Buddha had accepted, Ambapālī got up from her seat, bowed, and respectfully circled the Buddha, keeping him on her right, before leaving.
Why Buddha can't tell "yes I will"?
Why Buddha can't tell "yes I will"?
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
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If i was going to guess i would say that because there is no question there is no need to say anything.
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Imo, because Ambapālī might think she seduced Buddha with lust. Buddha either says "No" or a "silent yes". It means Buddha is not controlled by others.
There is always an official executioner. If you try to take his place, It is like trying to be a master carpenter and cutting wood. If you try to cut wood like a master carpenter, you will only hurt your hand.
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You mean lust for food?Ambapālī might think she seduced Buddha with lus
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
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That's a really interesting question. I've often seen it in the suttas, but never the origin, or an explanation.
It might be just the custom of the time; that when offered something, one automatically accepts and one has a responsibility to say something only if one refuses. If so, I find it quite appealing that a culture should treat giving and helping as something normal and taken for granted.
DooDoot's answer seems very plausible, though. It is related to monks not thanking supporters according to Western customs. If the Buddha gave acceptance speeches, people would probably get into a competition to see who could elicit the most superlatives from him. Rivalry would soon set in, and people would get unhappy that their acceptance by the Buddha was not as "good" as their neighbour's.
It might be just the custom of the time; that when offered something, one automatically accepts and one has a responsibility to say something only if one refuses. If so, I find it quite appealing that a culture should treat giving and helping as something normal and taken for granted.
DooDoot's answer seems very plausible, though. It is related to monks not thanking supporters according to Western customs. If the Buddha gave acceptance speeches, people would probably get into a competition to see who could elicit the most superlatives from him. Rivalry would soon set in, and people would get unhappy that their acceptance by the Buddha was not as "good" as their neighbour's.
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This post says " then , knowing that the budda had accepted" !SarathW wrote: ↑Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:54 am Why Buddha can't tell "yes I will"?
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The Buddha educated, encouraged, fired up, and inspired her with a Dhamma talk. Then she said to the Buddha: “Sir, may the Buddha together with the mendicant Saṅgha please accept tomorrow’s meal from me.” The Buddha consented in silence. Then, knowing that the Buddha had accepted, Ambapālī got up from her seat, bowed, and respectfully circled the Buddha, keeping him on her right, before leaving.
What more. Lord Budda never used words, more than necessary. It is aryan.
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In addition to the above, as another example that silence is understood as yes, the following from the Pātimokkha:
Venerable sirs, the ninety-two rules entailing expiation have been recited.
Herein I ask the venerable ones: Are you pure in this?
For a second time I ask the venerable ones: Are you pure in this?
For a third time I ask the venerable ones: Are you pure in this?
The venerable ones are pure herein; that is why they are silent. So I record it
(transl.:Ven.Ñānamoli)
Dry up what pertains to the past,
do not take up anything to come later.
If you will not grasp in the middle,
you will live at peace.—Snp.5.11,v.1099 (tr. Ven. Bhikkhu Bodhi)
Whatever is will be was. —Ven. Ñānamoli, A Thinkers Notebook, §221
do not take up anything to come later.
If you will not grasp in the middle,
you will live at peace.—Snp.5.11,v.1099 (tr. Ven. Bhikkhu Bodhi)
Whatever is will be was. —Ven. Ñānamoli, A Thinkers Notebook, §221
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Why? Why on earth Buddha agreed by silence? Is it just because of the custom of the time as Sam Vara said?
With the arising of delight, there is the arising of suffering. With the cessation of delight, comes the cessation of suffering.
Nandisamudayā dukkhasamudayo, nandinirodhā dukkhanirodho.
Dukkhameva uppajjamānaṃ uppajjati, dukkhaṃ nirujjhamānaṃ nirujjhati.
Nandisamudayā dukkhasamudayo, nandinirodhā dukkhanirodho.
Dukkhameva uppajjamānaṃ uppajjati, dukkhaṃ nirujjhamānaṃ nirujjhati.
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“Why can’t he” doesn’t make any sense because there is nothing to indicate that he can’t.
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The commentarial glosses on the phrase, “The Blessed One consented by remaining silent” (adhivāsesi bhagavā tuṇhībhāvena) limit themselves to explaining the meaning of the phrase: he consented in mind only, not with body or speech. They don’t explain why he chose to consent in this particular way.SarathW wrote: ↑Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:54 am Why Buddha can’t tell "yes I will"?
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The Buddha educated, encouraged, fired up, and inspired her with a Dhamma talk. Then she said to the Buddha: “Sir, may the Buddha together with the mendicant Saṅgha please accept tomorrow’s meal from me.” The Buddha consented in silence. Then, knowing that the Buddha had accepted, Ambapālī got up from her seat, bowed, and respectfully circled the Buddha, keeping him on her right, before leaving.
I suspect it was just a convention of the time, considering that (1) the commentaries don’t see it as something that needs explaining, and (2) the practice wasn’t unique to the Buddha, for we find his disciples reported doing the same thing, both good ones like Anuruddha and bad ones like Sudinna Kalandaputta.
What’s described in the quoted sutta is the Buddha’s only way of responding affirmatively to the fifty or so invitations he gets in the Sutta and Vinaya Piṭakas. The same response is used regardless of the sex of the inviter, most of whom are male.
Yena yena hi maññanti,
tato taṃ hoti aññathā.
In whatever way they conceive it,
It turns out otherwise.
(Sn. 588)
tato taṃ hoti aññathā.
In whatever way they conceive it,
It turns out otherwise.
(Sn. 588)
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There is a lot of repetition in the Suttas. For example, when people come to the Buddha, they bow to him, sit beside him, exchange friendly greetings ....etc
The point, as I see it, is a unified style of story telling. I would not draw any conclusions about the Buddha based on them .
The point, as I see it, is a unified style of story telling. I would not draw any conclusions about the Buddha based on them .
And the Blessed One addressed the bhikkhus, saying: "Behold now, bhikkhus, I exhort you: All compounded things are subject to vanish. Strive with earnestness!"
This was the last word of the Tathagata.
This was the last word of the Tathagata.
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We have a custom ins Sri Lanka that people do not commit for the future because future is uncertain.I suspect it was just a convention of the time
When I was young we never ask the driver the time for destination because they get angry since the road conditions and the reliability of the vehicle is so bad.
Some people say yes to future commitments with the addition "god willing".
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
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Dhammanando wrote: ↑Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:15 pm
The commentarial glosses on the phrase, “The Blessed One consented by remaining silent” (adhivāsesi bhagavā tuṇhībhāvena) limit themselves to explaining the meaning of the phrase: he consented in mind only, not with body or speech. They don’t explain why he chose to consent in this particular way.
I suspect it was just a convention of the time, considering that (1) the commentaries don’t see it as something that needs explaining, and (2) the practice wasn’t unique to the Buddha, for we find his disciples reported doing the same thing, both good ones like Anuruddha and bad ones like Sudinna Kalandaputta.
What’s described in the quoted sutta is the Buddha’s only way of responding affirmatively to the fifty or so invitations he gets in the Sutta and Vinaya Piṭakas. The same response is used regardless of the sex of the inviter, most of whom are male.
Thank you very much, bhante! I see now.
With the arising of delight, there is the arising of suffering. With the cessation of delight, comes the cessation of suffering.
Nandisamudayā dukkhasamudayo, nandinirodhā dukkhanirodho.
Dukkhameva uppajjamānaṃ uppajjati, dukkhaṃ nirujjhamānaṃ nirujjhati.
Nandisamudayā dukkhasamudayo, nandinirodhā dukkhanirodho.
Dukkhameva uppajjamānaṃ uppajjati, dukkhaṃ nirujjhamānaṃ nirujjhati.
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Thanks a lot for your understanding and considerate. I am a non-native English speaker and each time I use online dictionary to read and write in English. However, I also try to improve my English.
With the arising of delight, there is the arising of suffering. With the cessation of delight, comes the cessation of suffering.
Nandisamudayā dukkhasamudayo, nandinirodhā dukkhanirodho.
Dukkhameva uppajjamānaṃ uppajjati, dukkhaṃ nirujjhamānaṃ nirujjhati.
Nandisamudayā dukkhasamudayo, nandinirodhā dukkhanirodho.
Dukkhameva uppajjamānaṃ uppajjati, dukkhaṃ nirujjhamānaṃ nirujjhati.