Do you believe in the infallibility of the Buddha's word?

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Do you believe in the infallibility of the Buddha's word?

Yes
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No
13
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Re: Do you believe in the infallibility of the Buddha's word?

Post by Wizard in the Forest » Sat Jun 23, 2018 6:17 am

A bit sad really.

But maybe it's because we just live in a world where people don't trust one another.
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Re: Do you believe in the infallibility of the Buddha's word?

Post by dylanj » Sat Jun 23, 2018 6:21 am

to be fair, it seems there were at least a couple people who leaned towards yes but didn't answer out of fear of not speaking based on realization.
susukhaṁ vata nibbānaṁ,
sammā­sambud­dha­desitaṁ;
asokaṁ virajaṁ khemaṁ,
yattha dukkhaṁ nirujjhatī


Oh! extinction is so very blissful,
As taught by the One Rightly Self-Awakened:
Sorrowless, stainless, secure;
Where suffering all ceases


etaṁ santaṁ etaṁ paṇītaṁ yadidaṁ sabbasaṅkhārasamatho sabbūpadhipaṭi nissaggo taṇhakkhayo virāgo nirodho nibbānaṁ

This is peaceful, this is excellent, that is: the stilling of all preparations, the relinquishment of all attachments, the destruction of craving, detachment, cessation, extinction.

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Re: Do you believe in the infallibility of the Buddha's word?

Post by James Tan » Sat Jun 23, 2018 6:27 am

Digestion is the process by which food and drink are broken down into their smallest parts so that the body can use them to build and nourish cells and to provide energy.

Digestion involves the mixing of food, its movement through the digestive tract, and the chemical breakdown of the large molecules of food into smaller molecules.

The chemical breakdown itself will release a kind of energy which is sort of fire. However , if we were to consider the criteria of fire alone is sufficient for digestion then it is not true . The whole process is linked and combined together . We can't separate it.
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Re: Do you believe in the infallibility of the Buddha's word?

Post by dylanj » Sat Jun 23, 2018 6:41 am

Polar Bear wrote:
Fri Jun 22, 2018 11:00 pm
dylanj wrote:
Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:50 pm

Do you think modern physiological science is complete & perfected? Do you think it's infallible? I certainly don't & would not be the least bit surprised if discoveries were made in the future that changed the dominant perspective on these processes.
I think it’s safe to say that their isn’t a fire in your intestines right now. Unless you’ve just now tried to light your fart on fire and the flame has traveled up your rectum into your colon, in which case, I wish you a safe trip to the hospital. :tongue:
pretty sure there's quite a bit of heat there
susukhaṁ vata nibbānaṁ,
sammā­sambud­dha­desitaṁ;
asokaṁ virajaṁ khemaṁ,
yattha dukkhaṁ nirujjhatī


Oh! extinction is so very blissful,
As taught by the One Rightly Self-Awakened:
Sorrowless, stainless, secure;
Where suffering all ceases


etaṁ santaṁ etaṁ paṇītaṁ yadidaṁ sabbasaṅkhārasamatho sabbūpadhipaṭi nissaggo taṇhakkhayo virāgo nirodho nibbānaṁ

This is peaceful, this is excellent, that is: the stilling of all preparations, the relinquishment of all attachments, the destruction of craving, detachment, cessation, extinction.

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Re: Do you believe in the infallibility of the Buddha's word?

Post by James Tan » Sat Jun 23, 2018 6:57 am

The question is , the word "to believe" itself in the question is something irrational !
Believing is the opposite of rationality !
Where is the rationale ?!

Another thing is , if a person which is a newbie in Buddhism , how is s/he to determine whether something is true or false without some ground work first ?

infallibility of the Buddha's word ?!

This question may not covered other than "dhamma" which is for liberation purpose only.
The knowledge such as how to build a rocket , is something not someone thousand years ago can know or can imagine .
Another example is , an active component or passive component of Electronic components such as resistor , transistor , diode , memristor and capacitor is not something anyone can simply know and understand without studying it first .
I doubt that Buddha himself or any arahant could understand something such as mentioned above thousand years ago .
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Re: Do you believe in the infallibility of the Buddha's word?

Post by Dinsdale » Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:21 am

dylanj wrote:
Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:22 pm
I don't care about scientists.
It's ironic then that Buddhism has been described as the "science of the mind", and that insight practice into the three marks looks rather similar to the scientific method of detailed observation based on theories.
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Re: Do you believe in the infallibility of the Buddha's word?

Post by dylanj » Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:22 am

Dinsdale wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:21 am
dylanj wrote:
Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:22 pm
I don't care about scientists.
It's ironic then that Buddhism has been described as the "science of the mind", and that insight practice into the three marks looks rather similar to the scientific method of detailed observation based on theories.
I deliberately said I don't care about scientists as opposed to science itself
susukhaṁ vata nibbānaṁ,
sammā­sambud­dha­desitaṁ;
asokaṁ virajaṁ khemaṁ,
yattha dukkhaṁ nirujjhatī


Oh! extinction is so very blissful,
As taught by the One Rightly Self-Awakened:
Sorrowless, stainless, secure;
Where suffering all ceases


etaṁ santaṁ etaṁ paṇītaṁ yadidaṁ sabbasaṅkhārasamatho sabbūpadhipaṭi nissaggo taṇhakkhayo virāgo nirodho nibbānaṁ

This is peaceful, this is excellent, that is: the stilling of all preparations, the relinquishment of all attachments, the destruction of craving, detachment, cessation, extinction.

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Re: Do you believe in the infallibility of the Buddha's word?

Post by Saengnapha » Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:24 am

Dinsdale wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:21 am
dylanj wrote:
Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:22 pm
I don't care about scientists.
It's ironic then that Buddhism has been described as the "science of the mind", and that insight practice into the three marks looks rather similar to the scientific method of detailed observation based on theories.
Yes, words, words, words. So many words. Reminds me of the advert with Clive Owen, "Thinking, so much thinking......."

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Re: Do you believe in the infallibility of the Buddha's word?

Post by Dinsdale » Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:37 am

Saengnapha wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:24 am
Dinsdale wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:21 am
dylanj wrote:
Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:22 pm
I don't care about scientists.
It's ironic then that Buddhism has been described as the "science of the mind", and that insight practice into the three marks looks rather similar to the scientific method of detailed observation based on theories.
Yes, words, words, words. So many words. Reminds me of the advert with Clive Owen, "Thinking, so much thinking......."
It's a discussion forum, so there are going to be lots of words. :tongue:
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Re: Do you believe in the infallibility of the Buddha's word?

Post by Dinsdale » Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:42 am

dylanj wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:22 am
Dinsdale wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:21 am
dylanj wrote:
Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:22 pm
I don't care about scientists.
It's ironic then that Buddhism has been described as the "science of the mind", and that insight practice into the three marks looks rather similar to the scientific method of detailed observation based on theories.
I deliberately said I don't care about scientists as opposed to science itself
I'm afraid I don't understand your antipathy towards scientists. Mostly they are just people doing a job.
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Re: Do you believe in the infallibility of the Buddha's word?

Post by dylanj » Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:48 am

Dinsdale wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:42 am
dylanj wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:22 am
Dinsdale wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:21 am


It's ironic then that Buddhism has been described as the "science of the mind", and that insight practice into the three marks looks rather similar to the scientific method of detailed observation based on theories.
I deliberately said I don't care about scientists as opposed to science itself
I'm afraid I don't understand your antipathy towards scientists. Mostly they are just people doing a job.
I'm not antipathetic towards scientists, I am apathetic & distrusting.
susukhaṁ vata nibbānaṁ,
sammā­sambud­dha­desitaṁ;
asokaṁ virajaṁ khemaṁ,
yattha dukkhaṁ nirujjhatī


Oh! extinction is so very blissful,
As taught by the One Rightly Self-Awakened:
Sorrowless, stainless, secure;
Where suffering all ceases


etaṁ santaṁ etaṁ paṇītaṁ yadidaṁ sabbasaṅkhārasamatho sabbūpadhipaṭi nissaggo taṇhakkhayo virāgo nirodho nibbānaṁ

This is peaceful, this is excellent, that is: the stilling of all preparations, the relinquishment of all attachments, the destruction of craving, detachment, cessation, extinction.

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Re: Do you believe in the infallibility of the Buddha's word?

Post by Wizard in the Forest » Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:59 am

He seems to be less distrusting of the job itself than the philosophy (Scientism).
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Re: Do you believe in the infallibility of the Buddha's word?

Post by Ruud » Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:14 am

It is good to note though that science and scientism are two quite different things...
Dry up what pertains to the past,
do not take up anything to come later.
If you will not grasp in the middle,
you will live at peace.
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Re: Do you believe in the infallibility of the Buddha's word?

Post by Wizard in the Forest » Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:35 am

Which is why I pointed it out. It would be mean to imply Dylan is against the job when he's against the philosophy. Scientism is something he seems to consider a danger.
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Re: Do you believe in the infallibility of the Buddha's word?

Post by robertk » Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:50 am

dylanj wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:48 am
Dinsdale wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:42 am
dylanj wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:22 am


I deliberately said I don't care about scientists as opposed to science itself
I'm afraid I don't understand your antipathy towards scientists. Mostly they are just people doing a job.
I'm not antipathetic towards scientists, I am apathetic & distrusting.
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