mikenz66 wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 23, 2018 4:49 am
The Buddha did, famously, criticise Sāti, son of a fisherman, in MN 38: https://suttacentral.net/mn38/en/bodhi
When this was said, the bhikkhu Sāti, son of a fisherman, sat silent, dismayed, with shoulders drooping and head down, glum, and without response. Then, knowing this, the Blessed One told him: “Misguided man, you will be recognised by your own pernicious view. I shall question the bhikkhus on this matter.”
He then taught them a long discourse on Dependent Origination to correct the view. He didn't just call Sāti misguided and walk away...
Furthermore, Sāti had undertaken the training under the Buddha. This is a completely different situation from someone coming to a Forum such as this. They have not taken on the other Forum members on as teachers, so the dynamic is completely different.
Well it so happens i did not call anyone anything in particular. What am i supposed to call them heretics, hellbent run-of-the-mill blind worldlings?
"It's not the earth property that makes the true Dhamma disappear. It's not the water property... the fire property... the wind property that makes the true Dhamma disappear. It's worthless people who arise right here [within the Sangha] who make the true Dhamma disappear. The true Dhamma doesn't disappear the way a boat sinks all at once.
There are Sutta likening those fixed in pernicious views to a cesspool, rubbish etc
"As a cesspool filled over a number of years is difficult to clean, similarly, whoever is full of impurity is difficult to make pure. Whoever you know to be such, bhikkhus, bent on worldliness, having wrong desires, wrong thoughts, wrong behavior and resort, being completely united avoid him, sweep him out like dirt, remove him like rubbish. Winnow like chaff the non-recluses. Having ejected those of wrong desires, of wrong behavior and resort, be pure and mindful, dwelling with those who are pure. Being united and prudent you will make an end to suffering."
also here is more quite strong discriminative language
Dhp Verses 58 - 59: As a sweet-smelling and beautiful lotus flower may grow upon a heap of rubbish thrown on the highway, so also, out of the rubbish heap of beings may appear a disciple of the Buddha, who with his wisdom shines forth far above the blind (ignorant) worldlings.
and here albeit not attributed to the Buddha;
A person ruthless & grasping, smeared like a nursing diaper: to him I have nothing to say. It's you to whom I should speak.
i like the nursing diaper comparison tho.