Except we are told that the Buddha felt pain in his back (as an example) - what could this pain be but feeling/sensation (vedana)?? The feeling is there, but not the craving -- the Buddha's eradication of ignorance led to the end of craving, becoming, suffering, and renewed existence. However, the aggregates created through previous iterations of DO did not cease without remainder until The Buddha's Parinibbana.James Tan wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:28 amWe do not have craving all the time , so feeling should not be the main cause but ignorance .Garrib wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:38 pmI think that feeling conditions/precedes craving when there is ignorance. When ignorance has been destroyed (Arahant), then feeling may still arise so long as that kamma which produces feeling has not been exhausted. However, no new craving will arise from that feeling, and no new kamma will be produced.James Tan wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:59 pm Greetings ,
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“Thus, Ānanda, with mentality-materiality as condition there is consciousness; with consciousness as condition there is mentality-materiality; with mentality-materiality as condition there is contact; with contact as condition there is feeling; with feeling as condition there is craving; with craving as condition there is clinging; with clinging as condition there is existence; with existence as condition there is birth; and with birth as condition, aging and death, sorrow, lamentation, pain, grief, and despair come to be. Such is the origin of this entire mass of suffering.”
What is the main cause for craving to arise ?
Also , does an arahant still have feelings ?
According to cessation origination , once abandoned ignorance following by cessation of sankhara consciousness namarupa contact feeling craving and so on .
One by one will ceased to be , it seems contact has to be ceased first following by feeling , therefore , arahant looks like don't have feeling?!
Does the cause for craving is feeling ?
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Re: Does the cause for craving is feeling ?
Just stop trying to do something about them. It is your effort and energy that you give to resistance and trying to change yourself that is the only problem.
Re: Does the cause for craving is feeling ?
No, it's not upekka (equanimity), it's adukkhamasukhāya, often translated as "neither pleasant nor painful".justindesilva wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:41 am Is it not that upekka is the neutral feeling.
If not , what is this neutral feeling?
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Re: Does the cause for craving is feeling ?
Ha, very funny...Saengnapha wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:02 amJust stop trying to do something about them. It is your effort and energy that you give to resistance and trying to change yourself that is the only problem.
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Re: Does the cause for craving is feeling ?
Yes, there is still clearly physical/bodily vedana for an Arahant, which the Arahant feels "disjoined", according to the Arrow Sutta. But presumably there is no mental vedana, the second arrow.
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Re: Does the cause for craving is feeling ?
Back pain is body sensation.Garrib wrote: ↑Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:58 amExcept we are told that the Buddha felt pain in his back (as an example) - what could this pain be but feeling/sensation (vedana)?? The feeling is there, but not the craving -- the Buddha's eradication of ignorance led to the end of craving, becoming, suffering, and renewed existence. However, the aggregates created through previous iterations of DO did not cease without remainder until The Buddha's Parinibbana.James Tan wrote: ↑Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:28 amWe do not have craving all the time , so feeling should not be the main cause but ignorance .Garrib wrote: ↑Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:38 pm
I think that feeling conditions/precedes craving when there is ignorance. When ignorance has been destroyed (Arahant), then feeling may still arise so long as that kamma which produces feeling has not been exhausted. However, no new craving will arise from that feeling, and no new kamma will be produced.
According to cessation origination , once abandoned ignorance following by cessation of sankhara consciousness namarupa contact feeling craving and so on .
One by one will ceased to be , it seems contact has to be ceased first following by feeling , therefore , arahant looks like don't have feeling?!
In the paticasamuppada , the feeling is psychological /emotion /affection instead of bodily sensation because the five aggregates is more than rupa(bodily) aggregates . Normally , people delighted in the sight sound odour taste and tangible objects .
The arahant do not have feelings which is categorised as defilements . But , arahant do smile therefore I would think arahant do have feeling.
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