Hello,
My friends like to go partying, drinking, going to festivals, chasing their dreams of succes, enjoying a whole lot of entertainment. And I'm totally opposite of what they're doing. I spend most of my hours in meditation, read meditation manuals, go to dhamma groups and to retreats. I think me and my friends are heading to totally different destinations. I think these are my options:
A) Do more things with my friends to let them know I'm still one of the group
B) Let it be. If they want to do things with me, that's fine. But if we be apart for a longer while or separated forever, that will be ok too.
C) Let them know that we can't be friends anymore, because we are to different in interest and values
Which should I choose?
Thanks and metta from Zachary
Losing friendships
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Re: Losing friendships
B sounds like the middle way!Zachary wrote: ↑Mon Jun 18, 2018 12:33 pm Hello,
My friends like to go partying, drinking, going to festivals, chasing their dreams of succes, enjoying a whole lot of entertainment. And I'm totally opposite of what they're doing. I spend most of my hours in meditation, read meditation manuals, go to dhamma groups and to retreats. I think me and my friends are heading to totally different destinations. I think these are my options:
A) Do more things with my friends to let them know I'm still one of the group
B) Let it be. If they want to do things with me, that's fine. But if we be apart for a longer while or separated forever, that will be ok too.
C) Let them know that we can't be friends anymore, because we are to different in interest and values
Which should I choose?
Thanks and metta from Zachary
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Re: Losing friendships
Definitely not C
“Life is swept along, short is the life span; no shelters exist for one who has reached old age. Seeing clearly this danger in death, a seeker of peace should drop the world’s bait.” SN 1.3
Re: Losing friendships
B.
Also, see if you can bring one or more of them along with you when you go on a short retreat. I did with one of my friends and she loved it. Doesn't hurt to try, and if they turn you down, no worries.
Also, see if you can bring one or more of them along with you when you go on a short retreat. I did with one of my friends and she loved it. Doesn't hurt to try, and if they turn you down, no worries.
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Re: Losing friendships
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"A 'position,' Vaccha, is something that a Tathagata has done away with. What a Tathagata sees is this: 'Such is form, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is feeling, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is perception...such are fabrications...such is consciousness, such its origination, such its disappearance.'" - Aggi-Vacchagotta Sutta
'Dust thou art, and unto dust thou shalt return.' - Genesis 3:19
'Some fart freely, some try to hide and silence it. Which one is correct?' - Saegnapha
"A 'position,' Vaccha, is something that a Tathagata has done away with. What a Tathagata sees is this: 'Such is form, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is feeling, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is perception...such are fabrications...such is consciousness, such its origination, such its disappearance.'" - Aggi-Vacchagotta Sutta
'Dust thou art, and unto dust thou shalt return.' - Genesis 3:19
'Some fart freely, some try to hide and silence it. Which one is correct?' - Saegnapha
Re: Losing friendships
Hello:
Closest friends will stick around, but you probably won´t see them so often as you used to do.
But you have to show them affection from time to time, so they can know you still care.
Regards.
Closest friends will stick around, but you probably won´t see them so often as you used to do.
But you have to show them affection from time to time, so they can know you still care.
Regards.
Re: Losing friendships
B
The practitioner must look at the long-term implications.
"Bad friends, bad companions,
Bad practices — spending time in evil ways,
By these, one brings oneself to ruin,
In this world and the next.
Seduction, gambling, drinking, singing, dancing,
Sleeping by day, wandering all around untimely,
Harmful friends, utter stinginess:
These things destroy a person.
They play with dice; they drink spirits;
They consort with lovers dear to others.
Associating with low-life and not the esteemed,
They come to ruin like the waning moon.
Whoever is a drunkard, broke, and destitute,
Dragged by thirst from bar to bar,
Sinking into debt like a stone in water
Into bewilderment quickly plunges.
When sleeping late becomes a habit
And night is seen as time to rise,
For one perpetually intoxicated,
A home life cannot be maintained.
'Too cold! Too hot!
Too late!': they say.
Having wasted work time this way,
The young miss out on opportunities.
For one regarding cold and hot
As not more than blades of grass,
Doing whatever should be done,
Happiness will not be a stranger."---DN 31, Kelly, Sawyer, Yareham.
The practitioner must look at the long-term implications.
"Bad friends, bad companions,
Bad practices — spending time in evil ways,
By these, one brings oneself to ruin,
In this world and the next.
Seduction, gambling, drinking, singing, dancing,
Sleeping by day, wandering all around untimely,
Harmful friends, utter stinginess:
These things destroy a person.
They play with dice; they drink spirits;
They consort with lovers dear to others.
Associating with low-life and not the esteemed,
They come to ruin like the waning moon.
Whoever is a drunkard, broke, and destitute,
Dragged by thirst from bar to bar,
Sinking into debt like a stone in water
Into bewilderment quickly plunges.
When sleeping late becomes a habit
And night is seen as time to rise,
For one perpetually intoxicated,
A home life cannot be maintained.
'Too cold! Too hot!
Too late!': they say.
Having wasted work time this way,
The young miss out on opportunities.
For one regarding cold and hot
As not more than blades of grass,
Doing whatever should be done,
Happiness will not be a stranger."---DN 31, Kelly, Sawyer, Yareham.
Re: Losing friendships
B.
We had a very similar thread here a while ago but I can't remember it well enough to find it for Zachary. Does anyone else recall it?
Kim
We had a very similar thread here a while ago but I can't remember it well enough to find it for Zachary. Does anyone else recall it?
Kim
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Re: Losing friendships
Greetings,
Another B.
Metta,
Paul.
Another B.
Metta,
Paul.
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Re: Losing friendships
Should a seeker not find a companion who is better or equal, let him resolutely pursue a solitary course; there is no fellowship with the fool.
- Balavagga, Dhammapada.
- Balavagga, Dhammapada.
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Re: Losing friendships
That's the one!
Kim