Questions About the Thai Forest Tradtion

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LuisR
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Questions About the Thai Forest Tradtion

Post by LuisR » Sat Jun 09, 2018 2:54 pm

I was wondering what the differences between the Dhammayuttika and the Maha Nikaya are. Is the basic practice of Anapana Meditation the same between these two branches of the Forest tradtion? Also I read on that the Forest teachers directly challenge the notion of dry insight? What does this mean? How does the Thai Forest teachers approach Vipassana?

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Re: Questions About the Thai Forest Tradtion

Post by dharmacorps » Sat Jun 09, 2018 8:45 pm

This is mostly about politics really, rather than substantive differences in practice.

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Re: Questions About the Thai Forest Tradtion

Post by mikenz66 » Sun Jun 10, 2018 11:21 am

LuisR wrote:
Sat Jun 09, 2018 2:54 pm
How does the Thai Forest teachers approach Vipassana?
In many different ways. "Thai Forest" is a very general term, it's not an "organisation".

Sorry, that doesn't sound very helpful, but this list just scratches the surface:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_T ... _monastics

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Re: Questions About the Thai Forest Tradtion

Post by Idappaccayata » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:33 pm

Thanissaro gives a day-long talk on the Thai Forest Tradition that I would highly recommend.

https://www.audiodharma.org/series/16/talk/5996/
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No joy

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Re: Questions About the Thai Forest Tradtion

Post by LuisR » Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:23 am

Thanks for the replies.
Idappaccayata wrote:
Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:33 pm
Thanissaro gives a day-long talk on the Thai Forest Tradition that I would highly recommend.

https://www.audiodharma.org/series/16/talk/5996/

Thank you for the link. So Thanissaro Bhikkhu teachers the same Meditation as Ajahn Lee Dhammadaro? How would this method differ from the Ajahn Cha lineage?

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Re: Questions About the Thai Forest Tradtion

Post by bodom » Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:15 pm

LuisR wrote:
Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:23 am
Thanks for the replies.
Idappaccayata wrote:
Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:33 pm
Thanissaro gives a day-long talk on the Thai Forest Tradition that I would highly recommend.

https://www.audiodharma.org/series/16/talk/5996/

Thank you for the link. So Thanissaro Bhikkhu teachers the same Meditation as Ajahn Lee Dhammadaro? How would this method differ from the Ajahn Cha lineage?
It really doesn’t. Some of Ajahn Chah’s senior western disciples recommend reading Ajahn Dhammadaro’s and Thanissaro’s meditation manuals.

:namaste:
To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With no struggling, no thinking,
the mind, still,
will see cause and effect
vanishing in the Void.
Attached to nothing, letting go:
Know that this is the way
to allay all stress.

- Upasika Kee Nanayan

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Re: Questions About the Thai Forest Tradtion

Post by dharmacorps » Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:46 pm

Its also notable that Ajahn Chah studied briefly under Ajahn Mun. When it comes down to it, its about dilligence of practice and observing the vinaya, and the rest is politics. I am sure if you asked Thanissaro Bhikkhu he would probably agree as he routinely refers to Ajahn Chah and visits Ajahn Chah branch monasteries. The mutual respect is definitely there.

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Re: Questions About the Thai Forest Tradtion

Post by Idappaccayata » Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:59 am

dharmacorps wrote:
Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:46 pm
Its also notable that Ajahn Chah studied briefly under Ajahn Mun. When it comes down to it, its about dilligence of practice and observing the vinaya, and the rest is politics. I am sure if you asked Thanissaro Bhikkhu he would probably agree as he routinely refers to Ajahn Chah and visits Ajahn Chah branch monasteries. The mutual respect is definitely there.
He visits Ajahn chah branch monasteries? Interesting, I didn't know that.
The furniture may be exquisite,
And the bars of solid gold,
But once the bird realizes that the cage is a cage,
It finds within that cage
No joy

- Ajahn Jayasaro

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Re: Questions About the Thai Forest Tradtion

Post by Idappaccayata » Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:01 am

LuisR wrote:
Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:23 am
Thanks for the replies.
Idappaccayata wrote:
Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:33 pm
Thanissaro gives a day-long talk on the Thai Forest Tradition that I would highly recommend.

https://www.audiodharma.org/series/16/talk/5996/

Thank you for the link. So Thanissaro Bhikkhu teachers the same Meditation as Ajahn Lee Dhammadaro? How would this method differ from the Ajahn Cha lineage?
from what's recorded, Ajahn chah taught recitation of the word "buddho" along with breath meditation. Generally at the nose tip. But like others have mentioned, it was much more about what works, and diligence with Ajahn chah.
The furniture may be exquisite,
And the bars of solid gold,
But once the bird realizes that the cage is a cage,
It finds within that cage
No joy

- Ajahn Jayasaro

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Re: Questions About the Thai Forest Tradtion

Post by LuisR » Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:00 am

Thank you for the replies. I appreciate it.

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Re: Questions About the Thai Forest Tradtion

Post by JMGinPDX » Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:12 pm

bodom wrote:
Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:15 pm
LuisR wrote:
Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:23 am
Thanks for the replies.
Idappaccayata wrote:
Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:33 pm
Thanissaro gives a day-long talk on the Thai Forest Tradition that I would highly recommend.

https://www.audiodharma.org/series/16/talk/5996/

Thank you for the link. So Thanissaro Bhikkhu teachers the same Meditation as Ajahn Lee Dhammadaro? How would this method differ from the Ajahn Cha lineage?
It really doesn’t. Some of Ajahn Chah’s senior western disciples recommend reading Ajahn Dhammadaro’s and Thanissaro’s meditation manuals.

:namaste:
Yes - I'm an upasaka at Portland Friends of the Dhamma, an Ajahn Chah lineage center under the direction of LP Pasanno and Abhayagiri and directed by CALM graduate Sakula Mary Reinard...and half of our bookshelf of free books is books by Ajahn Geoff. He also comes here once a year for a non-residential weekend retreat.
Right now, it's like this...

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Re: Questions About the Thai Forest Tradtion

Post by LuisR » Sat Jun 16, 2018 7:02 am

JMGinPDX wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:12 pm
bodom wrote:
Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:15 pm
LuisR wrote:
Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:23 am
Thanks for the replies.




Thank you for the link. So Thanissaro Bhikkhu teachers the same Meditation as Ajahn Lee Dhammadaro? How would this method differ from the Ajahn Cha lineage?
It really doesn’t. Some of Ajahn Chah’s senior western disciples recommend reading Ajahn Dhammadaro’s and Thanissaro’s meditation manuals.

:namaste:
Yes - I'm an upasaka at Portland Friends of the Dhamma, an Ajahn Chah lineage center under the direction of LP Pasanno and Abhayagiri and directed by CALM graduate Sakula Mary Reinard...and half of our bookshelf of free books is books by Ajahn Geoff. He also comes here once a year for a non-residential weekend retreat.

I have seen the Portland Friends of the Dhamma videos on youtube. Including several with Thanissaro Bhikkhu. :namaste:

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Re: Questions About the Thai Forest Tradtion

Post by JMGinPDX » Mon Jun 18, 2018 7:43 pm

LuisR wrote:
Sat Jun 16, 2018 7:02 am
I have seen the Portland Friends of the Dhamma videos on youtube. Including several with Thanissaro Bhikkhu. :namaste:
I'm glad! I personally shot most of those and will look forward to doing so again when he's here again this autumn.
Right now, it's like this...

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