How would hells come to exist?

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How would hells come to exist?

Post by Digity » Mon May 21, 2018 3:30 pm

I've always been a bit confused about how the Hell Realms would come to exist within the Buddhist cosmology. For instance, the human/animal realm has come into existence through a lot of unlikely occurrences that eventually lead to the life we see on planet earth. Is there some similar process that leads to the hell realms being formed? Is it universal laws that determine these realms will always be created? What is the exact underlying process that leads to their creation? Has an explanation for this ever been put forth in Buddhism?

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Re: How would hells come to exist?

Post by dharmacorps » Mon May 21, 2018 4:12 pm

I doubt there is anything in the Suttas about how the "realms" "formed". That line of thinking is primarily Judeo-Christian, that the heavens and the earths were created. We do know the Buddha said that the universe in its totality has existed for eons and eons, without a discoverable beginning, and it serves no greater purpose. There is no genesis story in the Pali Canon, if that's what you are asking.

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Re: How would hells come to exist?

Post by Digity » Mon May 21, 2018 4:29 pm

Well, science explains how the big bang occurred and planets formed. So, there is a scientific explanation for that. I just wonder how hell/heaven Realms fit into the big bang or should those Realms be considered completely different dimensions.

Well...the more I ask the more I realize these are part of the questions not worth pondering.


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Re: How would hells come to exist?

Post by 2600htz » Mon May 21, 2018 6:56 pm

Hello:

Its just like in this planet, some places that you could call hells are created by living beings, and some places that you could call hells are created by nature.
In the suttas some hell realms are basically places with extreme weather conditions (like de Padma hell), while others have been modified by living beings to inflict pain (like the Tapana hell).

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Re: How would hells come to exist?

Post by DooDoot » Mon May 21, 2018 8:53 pm

dharmacorps wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 4:12 pm
That line of thinking is primarily Judeo-Christian, that the heavens and the earths were created.
There does not appear to be a quote from the Bible that refers to the creation of "hell"; apart from hell that results from kamma.
Matthew 5:22.. if you call your brother a worthless fool you will be in danger of going to the fire of hell.

Philippians 3:19 They are going to end up in hell, because their god is their bodily desires. They are proud of what they should be ashamed of, and they think only of things that belong to this world.

James 3:6 And the tongue is like a fire. It is a world of wrong, occupying its place in our bodies and spreading evil through our whole being. It sets on fire the entire course of our existence with the fire that comes to it from hell itself.
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Digity wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 3:30 pm
I've always been a bit confused about how the Hell Realms would come to exist within the Buddhist cosmology. For instance, the human/animal realm has come into existence through a lot of unlikely occurrences that eventually lead to the life we see on planet earth. Is there some similar process that leads to the hell realms being formed?
The Pali suttas appear to say the realms are caused by or result from kamma.
And what is the diversity in fermentations? There are fermentations that lead to hell, those that lead to the animal womb, those that lead to the realm of the hungry shades, those that lead to the human world, those that lead to the world of the devas. This is called the diversity in fermentations.

And what is the diversity in kamma? There is kamma to be experienced in hell, kamma to be experienced in the realm of common animals, kamma to be experienced in the realm of the hungry shades, kamma to be experienced in the human world, kamma to be experienced in the world of the devas. This is called the diversity in kamma.

AN 6.63
Bhikkhus, a god, a human or any other good state would not be evident from actions born of greed, hate and delusion. Yet, bhikkhus, from actions born of greed, hate and delusion a hellish being, an animal birth a ghostly birth or some other bad state would be evident.

AN 6.39
Bhikkhus, these two bright principles protect the world. What are the two? Shame and fear of wrongdoing. If, bhikkhus, these two bright principles did not protect the world, there would not be discerned respect for mother or maternal aunt or maternal uncle’s wife or a teacher’s wife or the wives of other honored persons, and the world would have fallen into promiscuity, as with goats, sheep, chickens, pigs, dogs, and jackals.

AN 2.9

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Re: How would hells come to exist?

Post by justindesilva » Tue May 22, 2018 3:51 am

2600htz wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 6:56 pm
Hello:

Its just like in this planet, some places that you could call hells are created by living beings, and some places that you could call hells are created by nature.
In the suttas some hell realms are basically places with extreme weather conditions (like de Padma hell), while others have been modified by living beings to inflict pain (like the Tapana hell).

Regards.
Some posts like this on this forum require long answers. Instead to be short reference is the best except to say that everything is mind made.
Hence I wish if on this one refers to Maha kamma vibangha sutta and then 31realms of existence by Ven. Dr. Walpola Rahula.

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Re: How would hells come to exist?

Post by Grigoris » Tue May 22, 2018 8:10 am

The Hell realm is created by the kamma (ignorance and hatred) of the beings that inhabit it. Just like the Human, Preta, Animal, Asura or Deva realms are created by the combination of ignorance with the kamma of desire, greed, stupidity, jealousy or pride.
ye dhammā hetuppabhavā tesaṁ hetuṁ tathāgato āha,
tesaṃca yo nirodho - evaṁvādī mahāsamaṇo.

Of those phenomena which arise from causes:
Those causes have been taught by the Tathāgata,
And their cessation too - thus proclaims the Great Ascetic.

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