binocular wrote: ↑
Mon May 21, 2018 7:56 pm
Sam Vara wrote: ↑
Mon May 21, 2018 1:25 pm
There are two sets of questions here. The first set is to do with "exclusivity" in social and psychological terms; whether Buddhism as expressed tends to exclude certain types of people and rule them out as unworthy or incapable of understanding or following or achieving some specified bits of the Dhamma. That's very much to do with one's own conditioned experiences of Buddhism and Buddhists. If, for example, you deal maladroitly with existing practitioners and get rebuffed a few times, then you are likely to see Buddhism as somehow "excluding" you. Depending on past conditioning, cultural barriers or not knowing how to approach monastics will do that for some people. Conversely, "Buddhism" is of such vast scope that if you are persistent and determined, you can probably find a more congenial group or set of practices which make you feel included. As Retro points out, everyone will be able to gain something from the teachings, but not everyone will be able to gain everything.
No no no. You're talking like an egalitarian democrat who believes that at their core, all people are somehow capable of the same. That everyone has some kind of "true nature" and an "innate potential for enlightenment". You'll remember that Thanissaro Bhikkhu argues strongly against that.
I'm not saying that at all. I don't believe all people are capable of the same things, or that anyone has any kind of "true nature".
It's because of that outlook of yours that you can blame people's failure in Buddhism on their bad attitude toward Buddhists. That if only they'd try harder, they'd see that Buddhism is true.
As you have misattributed a non-existent outlook to me, it's not surprising that this bit is wrong too.
Guess what? They say the same kind of thing in every other religion.
The same applies, although I ought to point out that they don't attribute failure to past kamma
in Christianity and Islam.
There are Buddhists who "exclude certain types of people and rule them out as unworthy or incapable of understanding or following or achieving some specified bits of the Dhamma". And these people don't even have to interact with Buddhists in any way. These claims of exclusion can be found in the way Buddhists describe outsiders or puthujjanas.
Of course. Who could doubt it? Taking due account of impermanence, I see lots of people in this way.
I don't feel excluded from Buddhism because of my "bad experiences with Buddhists". Bah, that's shallow.
That's fine. I have no particular interest in your feelings of exclusion, and my post does not address them.
all other proposed "solutions" to the problem of suffering are rejected as inadequate.
Do not be yoked together with unbelievers!
Or waste one's time with stupid people.
Which is a frequent truism that doesn't explain anything.
It would do, if you understood it.