Why called Liberation by the beautiful ?

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James Tan
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Why called Liberation by the beautiful ?

Post by James Tan » Thu Apr 26, 2018 5:05 pm

Greetings ,

By practising loving kindness, why the attainment
is called "liberation by the beautiful" ?

What is beautiful referred to ?


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Re: Why called Liberation by the beautiful ?

Post by 2600htz » Thu Apr 26, 2018 5:57 pm

Hello:

I think thats the name for the fourth jhana when doing love and kindness (the brahma-viharas)
The "beautiful" (subha) is a state of concentration that plays a role equivalent to that of the fourth jhana in leading to the formless jhanas. See MN 137 and SN 14.11 (also in The Wings to Awakening, passages §163 and §164).
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Re: Why called Liberation by the beautiful ?

Post by paul » Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:26 pm

It means beautiful in the conventional sense, but within the boundary of wholesomeness, as right concentration can only be produced by a wholesome state of mind:

(3) ''By thinking of the beautiful, one is filled with confidence: this is the 3rd liberation.
By (3) is meant the attainment of the fine-material absorptions (jhána, q.v.) by means of concentrating the mind on perfectly pure and bright colours as objects of the kasina (q.v.). According to Pts.M. this mental state is produced also by concentrating the mind on the 4 sublime states, i.e. all-embracing kindness, compassion, sympathetic joy and equanimity, in consequence of which all beings appear perfectly pure and glorified, and thus the mind turns to the beautiful.”—-“Buddhist Dictionary”, Nyanatiloka.

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Re: Why called Liberation by the beautiful ?

Post by James Tan » Sat Apr 28, 2018 2:42 am

paul wrote:
Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:26 pm
It means beautiful in the conventional sense, but within the boundary of wholesomeness, as right concentration can only be produced by a wholesome state of mind:

(3) ''By thinking of the beautiful, one is filled with confidence: this is the 3rd liberation.
By (3) is meant the attainment of the fine-material absorptions (jhána, q.v.) by means of concentrating the mind on perfectly pure and bright colours as objects of the kasina (q.v.). According to Pts.M. this mental state is produced also by concentrating the mind on the 4 sublime states, i.e. all-embracing kindness, compassion, sympathetic joy and equanimity, in consequence of which all beings appear perfectly pure and glorified, and thus the mind turns to the beautiful.”—-“Buddhist Dictionary”, Nyanatiloka.
I thought this is the 4 th liberation ?

Asubha is Displeasing . Repulsive and disgusting character of something, impurity, loathsomeness, foulness.

So , do you think would it be better if Subha refer to as "Pure" instead of beautiful ?
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Re: Why called Liberation by the beautiful ?

Post by paul » Sat Apr 28, 2018 3:53 am

It's the third liberation, look up 'vimokkha' in the Buddhist Dictionary. Liberation should not be confused with jhana as it is an alternative system, the emphasis being on vision.

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Re: Why called Liberation by the beautiful ?

Post by justindesilva » Sat Apr 28, 2018 4:32 am

paul wrote:
Sat Apr 28, 2018 3:53 am
It's the third liberation, look up 'vimokkha' in the Buddhist Dictionary. Liberation should not be confused with jhana as it is an alternative system, the emphasis being on vision.
Yes!
From 52 mental states 28th to 52nd are called sobhana (meaning beautiful) citta also called kusala damma. Jhana in fact mean absorptions ( in spiritual thoughts) which helps citta ekaggatta or rightful concentration ( samma samadhi).

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