DooDoot wrote: ↑
Tue Jul 10, 2018 2:42 am
markandeya wrote: ↑
Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:24 am
This would mean you do not believe the Buddha was a Buddha (self-enlightened; without a teacher). In many places, such as the 1st Sermon, the Buddha said he realised things he never heard before.
your right I do not believe in the Buddha, but that is to do with set of beliefs, I dont hold any
What does it mean that The buddha realized things that he never heard before.
Gotama Buddha aptly referred to his discovery as puranam anjasam discovery of an ancient path, which means others have realized and discovered before. It may have been unique to Gotama whose life was going from an unawakened condition to Full awakening, so what he saw was new to him, it was a rediscovery that he had attained ( bad wording ) for himself, we could say in modern terms that he became aware of something that he was unaware of before, he is speaking from his own experience and first persons experience, it should be kept in that context and not projected.
Gotama Buddha referred to his discovery as puranam anjasam discovery of an ancient path, which means others have realized and discovered before. It may have been unique to Gotama whose life was going from an unawakened condition to Full awakening, so what he saw was new to him, it was a rediscovery that he had attained ( bad wording ) for himself.
His discovery was compared to being hidden in dense forest, dense forest are greed, hatred and delusion and associated aggregates., followed a way that lead to puranam rajadhanim a bygone ancient kingdom, Buddha rediscovered an ancient path trodden by many in the past pubbakehi sammasambuddhi anuyatam
If anyone who is unenlightened attains to samyak sambodhi or full enlightenment they will also see or experience something that they too never saw or experienced before, but what they see and experience will not be different from previous Buddhas.
Buddha meaning, Bud means awake dha means to hold or be held in, buddha is held in the awakened state ( although its not a state )
Personally I think its a dangerous game to quote suttas in literal terms. Sutta means string, we could call it the dharma string theory that connects mind to wisdom of the Dharma as taught by the awakened Buddha, the more literal the suttas become the less they are understood. Mostly we are still in a phase of translation. They are t meditated upon and engrained with mediation experience and cultivation of the path while mind is being purified.
I will refrain from talking about the Upanishads rishi unless there is due understanding of what they say or reveal. Upa means near or close shad means seat or sitting, it gets translated as sitting near to Guru or teacher, this is not a good translation shad means seat of consciousness Rishi's of the Upanishads are known to be speaking Anubhava pratyaksha, which is para vak and para vidya, they are directly perceiving experiencing the Absolute Brahma, which cant be conceptualized or explained only experienced. I am not to fond of the imperial cultural assignation of the British Rule and their translations on dharma. i will only entertain discussions that know what the essence of these subjects are about. Usually there is a poor understanding of the Rishis as something opposed to Buddha Dharma of Gotama, and sometimes the other way round. This has a cause and is foreign to Dharma traditions.