What is Sanna Samapatti and Nirodha Samapatti?

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What is Sanna Samapatti and Nirodha Samapatti?

Post by SarathW » Thu Apr 05, 2018 11:51 am

What is Sanna Samapatti and Nirodha Samapatti?
How this differs from Sanna Vedaniya Nirodha?
What is the sutta reference?
This question based on the following Dhamma talk in the Sinhalese language.

“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: What is Sanna Samapatti and Nirodha Samapatti?

Post by DooDoot » Fri Apr 06, 2018 6:38 am

saññāsamāpatti is full saññā-in-jhāna, with full citta and full cetasika, because he never try to go out of sankhāra-nāma.

saṅkhārāvasesasamāpatti is less saññā-in-jhāna, with less citta and less cetasika, because he try to go out of sankhāra-nāma, but he can't because he still have "me atta"-tanha in saññā, so he cannot stop, nirodha, that saññā. He can just make sankhāra-nāma lesser than the other arupa-jhana.

saññāvedayitanirodhadhātu is no sankhāra-nāma after jhana, no citta and no cetasika. He can do, because his lokiya-jhana already successful by anagami-magga, and he already enlighten nibbana, no "me atta"-tanha, also.

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Re: What is Sanna Samapatti and Nirodha Samapatti?

Post by SarathW » Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:54 am

Thank you, DD.
What is sankhāra-nāma?
Is it possible for you to further explain what you post?
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: What is Sanna Samapatti and Nirodha Samapatti?

Post by DooDoot » Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:46 am

SarathW wrote:
Thu Apr 05, 2018 11:51 am
What is Sanna Samapatti and Nirodha Samapatti?
Sanna Samapatti = attainment with perception.

Nirodha Samapatti = attainment without perception
SarathW wrote:
Thu Apr 05, 2018 11:51 am
What is the sutta reference?
AN 9.36
I tell you, the ending of the mental fermentations depends on the first jhana... the second jhana... the third... the fourth... the dimension of the infinitude of space... the dimension of the infinitude of consciousness... the dimension of nothingness.... Thus, as far as the perception-attainments (saññāsamāpatti) go, that is as far as gnosis-penetration (aññā-paṭivedho) goes.

As for these two dimensions — the attainment of the dimension of neither perception nor non-perception & the attainment of the cessation of feeling & perception (samāpatti ca saññāvedayitanirodho) — I tell you that they are to be rightly explained by those monks who are meditators, skilled in attaining, skilled in attaining & emerging, who have attained & emerged in dependence on them.
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Re: What is Sanna Samapatti and Nirodha Samapatti?

Post by SarathW » Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:57 pm

Thnak you DD.
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I tell you that they are to be rightly explained by those monks who are meditators, skilled in attaining, skilled in attaining & emerging, who have attained & emerged in dependence on them.
What is the intention of this statement by Buddha?
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: What is Sanna Samapatti and Nirodha Samapatti?

Post by SarathW » Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:17 pm

What is Sanna means here?
How many types of Sanna there?
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: What is Sanna Samapatti and Nirodha Samapatti?

Post by SarathW » Sun Apr 08, 2018 3:07 am

saññāvedayitanirodho
Why can't we say saññānirodho?
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: What is Sanna Samapatti and Nirodha Samapatti?

Post by SarathW » Sun Apr 08, 2018 3:09 am

saññāsamāpatti
Why does it not say saññāvedayithasamāpatti?
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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