What is the sustenance of the Arupavacara Consciousness?

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What is the sustenance of the Arupavacara Consciousness?

Post by SarathW » Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:43 pm

What is the sustenance of the Arupavacara Consciousness?
Please assume that the consciousness can sustain without the matter.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: What is the sustenance of the Arupavacara Consciousness?

Post by cappuccino » Sat Mar 31, 2018 10:11 pm

Angels are spirits, there are also ghosts.

I take for granted, they exist. How? I don't know, nor need to know.

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Re: What is the sustenance of the Arupavacara Consciousness?

Post by Zom » Sat Mar 31, 2018 10:20 pm

Nama.

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Re: What is the sustenance of the Arupavacara Consciousness?

Post by DooDoot » Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:15 am

SarathW wrote:
Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:43 pm
Please assume that the consciousness can sustain without the matter.
Does Buddha-Dhamma assume?
Nāmarūpaṃ hetu, nāmarūpaṃ paccayo viññāṇakkhandhassa paññāpanāyā

Name-and-form is the cause and condition for the manifestation of the consciousness aggregate.

SN 22.82

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Re: What is the sustenance of the Arupavacara Consciousness?

Post by SarathW » Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:21 am

Does Buddha-Dhamma assume?
There is another Dependent Origination which comes Nama without Salayatana.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Post by James Tan » Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:56 am

SarathW wrote:
Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:21 am
Does Buddha-Dhamma assume?
There is another Dependent Origination which comes Nama without Salayatana.
Could you name the text ?
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Post by DooDoot » Sun Apr 01, 2018 2:14 am

SarathW wrote:
Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:21 am
There is another Dependent Origination which comes Nama without Salayatana.
I doubt this. Why don't you quote so we can examine.

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Post by SarathW » Sun Apr 01, 2018 2:19 am

“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: What is the sustenance of the Arupavacara Consciousness?

Post by DooDoot » Sun Apr 01, 2018 2:21 am

I recall our time has been wasted with this link before. Please quote a specific passage. Thanks

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Re: What is the sustenance of the Arupavacara Consciousness?

Post by SarathW » Sun Apr 01, 2018 2:25 am

Perhaps Ven. Dhammanando can help.
I can recall having this discussion with him.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: What is the sustenance of the Arupavacara Consciousness?

Post by aflatun » Sun Apr 01, 2018 4:35 pm

SarathW wrote:
Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:43 pm
What is the sustenance of the Arupavacara Consciousness?
Please assume that the consciousness can sustain without the matter.
Nama, as per prior thread?
"People often get too quick to say 'there's no self. There's no self...no self...no self.' There is self, there is focal point, its not yours. That's what not self is."

Ninoslav Ñāṇamoli
Senses and the Thought-1, 42:53

"Those who create constructs about the Buddha,
Who is beyond construction and without exhaustion,
Are thereby damaged by their constructs;
They fail to see the Thus-Gone.

That which is the nature of the Thus-Gone
Is also the nature of this world.
There is no nature of the Thus-Gone.
There is no nature of the world."

Nagarjuna
MMK XXII.15-16


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Re: What is the sustenance of the Arupavacara Consciousness?

Post by SarathW » Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:17 pm

aflatun wrote:
Sun Apr 01, 2018 4:35 pm
SarathW wrote:
Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:43 pm
What is the sustenance of the Arupavacara Consciousness?
Please assume that the consciousness can sustain without the matter.
Nama, as per prior thread?
Thank you.
This is what I was looking for. :twothumbsup:
So Manayatana is the nutriment of the Arupavacara consciousness.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: What is the sustenance of the Arupavacara Consciousness?

Post by aflatun » Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:52 pm

SarathW wrote:
Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:17 pm

Thank you.
This is what I was looking for. :twothumbsup:
So Manayatana is the nutriment of the Arupavacara consciousness.
My pleasure :)

I think an even better question is, what is the nutriment of rupavacara consciousness :stirthepot:
"People often get too quick to say 'there's no self. There's no self...no self...no self.' There is self, there is focal point, its not yours. That's what not self is."

Ninoslav Ñāṇamoli
Senses and the Thought-1, 42:53

"Those who create constructs about the Buddha,
Who is beyond construction and without exhaustion,
Are thereby damaged by their constructs;
They fail to see the Thus-Gone.

That which is the nature of the Thus-Gone
Is also the nature of this world.
There is no nature of the Thus-Gone.
There is no nature of the world."

Nagarjuna
MMK XXII.15-16

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Re: What is the sustenance of the Arupavacara Consciousness?

Post by SarathW » Mon Apr 02, 2018 12:47 am

aflatun wrote:
Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:52 pm
SarathW wrote:
Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:17 pm

Thank you.
This is what I was looking for. :twothumbsup:
So Manayatana is the nutriment of the Arupavacara consciousness.
My pleasure :)

I think an even better question is, what is the nutriment of rupavacara consciousness :stirthepot:
I would say it is still Manayatana.
Perhaps you have to ask this from Ven. Dhammanando.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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