What is the sustenance of the Arupavacara Consciousness?

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What is the sustenance of the Arupavacara Consciousness?

Post by SarathW » Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:43 pm

What is the sustenance of the Arupavacara Consciousness?
Please assume that the consciousness can sustain without the matter.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: What is the sustenance of the Arupavacara Consciousness?

Post by cappuccino » Sat Mar 31, 2018 10:11 pm

Angels are spirits, there are also ghosts.

I take for granted, they exist. How? I don't know, nor need to know.

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Re: What is the sustenance of the Arupavacara Consciousness?

Post by Zom » Sat Mar 31, 2018 10:20 pm

Nama.

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Re: What is the sustenance of the Arupavacara Consciousness?

Post by DooDoot » Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:15 am

SarathW wrote:
Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:43 pm
Please assume that the consciousness can sustain without the matter.
Does Buddha-Dhamma assume?
Nāmarūpaṃ hetu, nāmarūpaṃ paccayo viññāṇakkhandhassa paññāpanāyā

Name-and-form is the cause and condition for the manifestation of the consciousness aggregate.

SN 22.82

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Re: What is the sustenance of the Arupavacara Consciousness?

Post by SarathW » Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:21 am

Does Buddha-Dhamma assume?
There is another Dependent Origination which comes Nama without Salayatana.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Post by James Tan » Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:56 am

SarathW wrote:
Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:21 am
Does Buddha-Dhamma assume?
There is another Dependent Origination which comes Nama without Salayatana.
Could you name the text ?
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Post by DooDoot » Sun Apr 01, 2018 2:14 am

SarathW wrote:
Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:21 am
There is another Dependent Origination which comes Nama without Salayatana.
I doubt this. Why don't you quote so we can examine.

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Post by SarathW » Sun Apr 01, 2018 2:19 am

“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Post by DooDoot » Sun Apr 01, 2018 2:21 am

I recall our time has been wasted with this link before. Please quote a specific passage. Thanks

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Post by SarathW » Sun Apr 01, 2018 2:25 am

Perhaps Ven. Dhammanando can help.
I can recall having this discussion with him.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Post by aflatun » Sun Apr 01, 2018 4:35 pm

SarathW wrote:
Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:43 pm
What is the sustenance of the Arupavacara Consciousness?
Please assume that the consciousness can sustain without the matter.
Nama, as per prior thread?
"People often get too quick to say 'there's no self. There's no self...no self...no self.' There is self, there is focal point, its not yours. That's what not self is."

Ninoslav Ñāṇamoli
Senses and the Thought-1, 42:53

"Those who create constructs about the Buddha,
Who is beyond construction and without exhaustion,
Are thereby damaged by their constructs;
They fail to see the Thus-Gone.

That which is the nature of the Thus-Gone
Is also the nature of this world.
There is no nature of the Thus-Gone.
There is no nature of the world."

Nagarjuna
MMK XXII.15-16

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Post by SarathW » Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:17 pm

aflatun wrote:
Sun Apr 01, 2018 4:35 pm
SarathW wrote:
Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:43 pm
What is the sustenance of the Arupavacara Consciousness?
Please assume that the consciousness can sustain without the matter.
Nama, as per prior thread?
Thank you.
This is what I was looking for. :twothumbsup:
So Manayatana is the nutriment of the Arupavacara consciousness.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Post by aflatun » Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:52 pm

SarathW wrote:
Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:17 pm

Thank you.
This is what I was looking for. :twothumbsup:
So Manayatana is the nutriment of the Arupavacara consciousness.
My pleasure :)

I think an even better question is, what is the nutriment of rupavacara consciousness :stirthepot:
"People often get too quick to say 'there's no self. There's no self...no self...no self.' There is self, there is focal point, its not yours. That's what not self is."

Ninoslav Ñāṇamoli
Senses and the Thought-1, 42:53

"Those who create constructs about the Buddha,
Who is beyond construction and without exhaustion,
Are thereby damaged by their constructs;
They fail to see the Thus-Gone.

That which is the nature of the Thus-Gone
Is also the nature of this world.
There is no nature of the Thus-Gone.
There is no nature of the world."

Nagarjuna
MMK XXII.15-16

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Re: What is the sustenance of the Arupavacara Consciousness?

Post by SarathW » Mon Apr 02, 2018 12:47 am

aflatun wrote:
Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:52 pm
SarathW wrote:
Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:17 pm

Thank you.
This is what I was looking for. :twothumbsup:
So Manayatana is the nutriment of the Arupavacara consciousness.
My pleasure :)

I think an even better question is, what is the nutriment of rupavacara consciousness :stirthepot:
I would say it is still Manayatana.
Perhaps you have to ask this from Ven. Dhammanando.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: What is the sustenance of the Arupavacara Consciousness?

Post by atipattoh » Mon Apr 02, 2018 2:41 am

What i have in mind is "momentum", the "induction" push of one particular moment. The push of a particular force towards a coarse object, is less in strength compare to the force apply onto a fine object, in this case ekāyatana that is subtle.

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Re: What is the sustenance of the Arupavacara Consciousness?

Post by James Tan » Mon Apr 02, 2018 4:57 am

SarathW wrote:
Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:17 pm
aflatun wrote:
Sun Apr 01, 2018 4:35 pm
SarathW wrote:
Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:43 pm
What is the sustenance of the Arupavacara Consciousness?
Please assume that the consciousness can sustain without the matter.
Nama, as per prior thread?
Thank you.
This is what I was looking for. :twothumbsup:
So Manayatana is the nutriment of the Arupavacara consciousness.
Manayatana Is Not the Nutriment of the Arupavacara consciousness , it is the Condition for the consciousness that arises .
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Re: What is the sustenance of the Arupavacara Consciousness?

Post by James Tan » Mon Apr 02, 2018 4:59 am

aflatun wrote:
Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:52 pm
SarathW wrote:
Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:17 pm

Thank you.
This is what I was looking for. :twothumbsup:
So Manayatana is the nutriment of the Arupavacara consciousness.
My pleasure :)

I think an even better question is, what is the nutriment of rupavacara consciousness :stirthepot:
The nutriment of rupavacara consciousness is sankhara / mano-sancetanaa .
:reading:

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Re: What is the sustenance of the Arupavacara Consciousness?

Post by SarathW » Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:03 pm

I think an even better question is, what is the nutriment of rupavacara consciousness :stirthepot:
In the following video (Sinhala language) Ven. Sidassan said:
1) Rupavacara beings have the six senses (Ayatana) as input. But they have only eye,ear and mind as the output (Datu).
2) Arupvacara beings have the six senses as input. But they have only the mind as output.

“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: What is the sustenance of the Arupavacara Consciousness?

Post by James Tan » Sat Apr 14, 2018 1:25 pm

SarathW wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:03 pm
I think an even better question is, what is the nutriment of rupavacara consciousness :stirthepot:
In the following video (Sinhala language) Ven. Sidassan said:
1) Rupavacara beings have the six senses (Ayatana) as input. But they have only eye,ear and mind as the output (Datu).
2) Arupvacara beings have the six senses as input. But they have only the mind as output.

May I know which text to be referred to for 1) ?
As for Arupa being has 6 senses ? Contradiction, Arupa being has body?
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