That's the irony of the statement...without scholars would we even know the words of the Buddha?Sam Vara wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:59 pmYou're always listening to a scholar. The Buddha, apart from speaking very poor English, is unfortunately dead. We are always reliant upon a string of translators and interpreters.cappuccino wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:42 pm I wonder why you listen to a scholar and ignore the Buddha.
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Whether an English word or phrase accurately and usefully translates a Pali word or phrase is an opinion. It's opinions all the way down, I'm afraid.
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Not quite.
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This sutta just came to my mind, but looks like you already posted it.Polar Bear wrote: ↑Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:12 am“In the same way, monks, few are the beings who, on passing away from the human realm, are reborn among human beings. Far more are the beings who, on passing away from the human realm, are reborn in hell.
“Therefore your duty is the contemplation, ‘This is stress… This is the origination of stress… This is the cessation of stress.’ Your duty is the contemplation, ‘This is the path of practice leading to the cessation of stress.’”
"Just as a large banyan tree, on level ground where four roads meet, is a haven for the birds all around, even so a lay person of conviction is a haven for many people: monks, nuns, male lay followers, & female lay followers." —AN 5.38
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Do you have an opinion, or certain knowledge, of adhiccam idam?
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I accept Buddha's certain knowledge.
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And how do you know what he said?
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Word for word translation is one thing, second guessing is another.
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That may be, but doesn't answer the question. How do you know what the Buddha said? If you accept his certain knowledge, how do you know what that knowledge is?cappuccino wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:03 pmWord for word translation is one thing, second guessing is another.
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The translator wasn't accepting the teaching.
He provided a second guess.
I just accept it.
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What do you accept it means?cappuccino wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:12 pmThe translator wasn't accepting the teaching.
He provided a second guess.
I just accept it.
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A faith in the fey, I think.cappuccino wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:18 pm In other words, I have faith in the teaching, as it is.
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