eating hatchable eggs constitute killing ?

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Greetings ,

Does it mean violation of first precept if eating eggs which is hatchable ?
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No.
But there is a Buddhist story to show how painful for the bird to lose its eggs.
I can't recall the Sutta.
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SarathW wrote: Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:37 am No.
But there is a Buddhist story to show how painful for the bird to lose its eggs.
I can't recall the Sutta.
So , there is unwholesome kamma involve .
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So , there is unwholesome kamma involve .
I think it is not allowed monks to eat hatchable eggs.
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SarathW wrote: Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:43 am
So , there is unwholesome kamma involve .
I think it is not allowed monks to eat hatchable eggs.
Is it in the vinaya ?
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Well, in general monastics are allowed to eat meat (which includes eggs) so long as it's offered and not killed specifically for them. They aren't allowed to eat raw meat, so presumably the layperson serving the egg would have cooked it. (See "Staple foods" in Ajahn Thanissaro's Buddhist Monastic Code). Lay people, however, break the first precept when they butcher an animal, for themselves or for others.

In terms of hatchable eggs, I don't think the texts mention it specifically, but a human embryo is considered living from the moment of conception. If that applies to hatchable eggs, then, yes, cooking/eating a hatchable egg might break the first precept.

We can refer to Bhikkhu Bodhi's summary of what involves breaking the precept then decide for ourselves. Or consult a teacher :)
A complete act of killing constituting a full violation of the precept involves five factors: (1) a living being; (2) the perception of the living being as such; (3) the thought or volition of killing; (4) the appropriate effort; and (5) the actual death of the being as a result of the action.
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In thailand many of us eat ant eggs. Does anyone here know of a way to tell if an ant egg is hatchable?
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James Tan wrote: Sat Mar 10, 2018 5:57 am Greetings ,

Does it mean violation of first precept if eating eggs which is hatchable ?
Yes.
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chownah wrote: Sun Mar 11, 2018 1:34 am In thailand many of us eat ant eggs. Does anyone here know of a way to tell if an ant egg is hatchable?
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What about bacteria and virus?
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James Tan wrote: Sat Mar 10, 2018 5:57 am Greetings ,

Does it mean violation of first precept if eating eggs which is hatchable ?
Eating fertilized egg constitutes killing.

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thepea wrote: Sun Mar 11, 2018 2:48 am
James Tan wrote: Sat Mar 10, 2018 5:57 am Greetings ,

Does it mean violation of first precept if eating eggs which is hatchable ?
Yes.
Any sutta to support ?
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No_Mind wrote: Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:16 am
James Tan wrote: Sat Mar 10, 2018 5:57 am Greetings ,

Does it mean violation of first precept if eating eggs which is hatchable ?
Eating fertilized egg constitutes killing.

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Would you mind refer sutta if any ?
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James Tan wrote: Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:20 am
No_Mind wrote: Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:16 am
James Tan wrote: Sat Mar 10, 2018 5:57 am Greetings ,

Does it mean violation of first precept if eating eggs which is hatchable ?
Eating fertilized egg constitutes killing.

:namaste:
Would you mind refer sutta if any ?
The First Precept. Fertilized egg is living being (though perhaps not yet conscious)

I consume unfertilized eggs for this reason.

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James Tan wrote: Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:20 am
No_Mind wrote: Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:16 am
James Tan wrote: Sat Mar 10, 2018 5:57 am Greetings ,

Does it mean violation of first precept if eating eggs which is hatchable ?
Eating fertilized egg constitutes killing.

:namaste:
Would you mind refer sutta if any ?
Mahanama sutta
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .kuma.html

"Mahanama, inasmuch as a lay follower abstains from destroying living beings; abstains from taking what is not given; abstains from sexual misconduct; abstains from lying; and abstains from wine, liquor and intoxicants that are causes for heedlessness; in that way, Mahanama, a lay follower is virtuous."
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No_Mind wrote: Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:25 am
James Tan wrote: Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:20 am
No_Mind wrote: Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:16 am

Eating fertilized egg constitutes killing.

:namaste:
Would you mind refer sutta if any ?
The First Precept. Fertilized egg is living being (though perhaps not yet conscious)

I consume unfertilized eggs for this reason.

:namaste:
How to determine fertilized or unfertilized ?
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