So far, no.
New Translation: Suttas from the Suttanipāta
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That's unfortunate, not to mention a possible waste of a subscription. Have you found any useful teachings elsewhere in the canon?
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There's a new movement of non-buddhists who are finding the sort of principles contained there very helpful in living in the world, but its all male. They're living this way to avoid getting MeToo'd and to avoid being used as nothing but a disposable tool by society.binocular wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:25 pmHow? I think it would be naive to live in the world by the principles given in the Sutta Nipata. I don't mean to be unnecessarily critical, but I really do doubt the usefulness of such instructions and principles for lays. All I can see is that living that way out in the world, one will get squished by the world.davidbrainerd wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 12:27 amIf one wants to live in the world and of the world, as a womanwhore or manwhore, then it has no relevance. If one is forced to live in the world but does not want to be of the world, and especially intends to peruse a celibate life, then it has relevance.
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Is it the world doing the 'squishing' or our worldly mind? To quote Buddha:binocular wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:25 pm
How? I think it would be naive to live in the world by the principles given in the Sutta Nipata. I don't mean to be unnecessarily critical, but I really do doubt the usefulness of such instructions and principles for lays. All I can see is that living that way out in the world, one will get squished by the world.
The mind is the determining factor, so as long as one thinks the world will squish helpless lay folk, then that is the way one will live.Whatever one frequently thinks and ponders upon, that will become the inclination of his mind. -- MN 19
Good and evil have no fixed form. It's as easy to turn from doing bad to doing good as it is to flip over the hand from the back to the palm. It's simply up to us to do it. Master Hsuan Hua.
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Will wrote: ↑Sat Mar 10, 2018 3:51 am
Is it the world doing the 'squishing' or our worldly mind? To quote Buddha:
The mind is the determining factor, so as long as one thinks the world will squish helpless lay folk, then that is the way one will live.Whatever one frequently thinks and ponders upon, that will become the inclination of his mind. -- MN 19
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Exactly. It's all male.davidbrainerd wrote: ↑Sat Mar 10, 2018 3:17 amThere's a new movement of non-buddhists who are finding the sort of principles contained there very helpful in living in the world, but its all male. They're living this way to avoid getting MeToo'd and to avoid being used as nothing but a disposable tool by society.
Secondly, how do you deal with the possibility that those espousing those principles could abandon them anytime?
Even what seemed dedicated monks sometimes disrobe and take up a lifestyle they criticized severely when they were monks. People change. Some go from vegan to meat-eating supporters. In fact, it seems quite common that people with high ideals eventually resort to lifestyles they previously disapproved of.
Such things happening does not fill me with hope and with trust in what those idealistic people are saying.
Hic Rhodus, hic salta!
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So it's all in my head?Will wrote: ↑Sat Mar 10, 2018 3:51 amIs it the world doing the 'squishing' or our worldly mind? To quote Buddha:
The mind is the determining factor, so as long as one thinks the world will squish helpless lay folk, then that is the way one will live.Whatever one frequently thinks and ponders upon, that will become the inclination of his mind. -- MN 19
My concern is that the idea that it's all in my head is just all in my head, and isn't how things actually are. And that the crucial things in life are independent of how one thinks about them.
Hic Rhodus, hic salta!
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No, it's in your fathom-long body.
https://suttacentral.net/an4.45/en/sujato
But the concern is all in your head, isn't it?My concern is that the idea that it's all in my head is just all in my head
You don't know how things actually are. And things being "crucial" is only our judgement about them. There is no objective crux.and isn't how things actually are. And that the crucial things in life are independent of how one thinks about them.
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It's all you've got. Dogmatism can lead one in the wrong direction. Lack of commitment will go nowhere. So make your best-informed hypothesis, and test it through action.
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Not 'all in your head' (nor all 'out there') but no avoiding the head or mind filter. As verse 768? says:binocular wrote: ↑Sat Mar 10, 2018 10:25 amSo it's all in my head?Will wrote: ↑Sat Mar 10, 2018 3:51 amIs it the world doing the 'squishing' or our worldly mind? To quote Buddha:
The mind is the determining factor, so as long as one thinks the world will squish helpless lay folk, then that is the way one will live.Whatever one frequently thinks and ponders upon, that will become the inclination of his mind. -- MN 19
My concern is that the idea that it's all in my head is just all in my head, and isn't how things actually are. And that the crucial things in life are independent of how one thinks about them.
3. Whoever avoids sensual pleasures
as if the head of a snake with his foot,
the sticky nature of the world
he mindfully passes over.
Good and evil have no fixed form. It's as easy to turn from doing bad to doing good as it is to flip over the hand from the back to the palm. It's simply up to us to do it. Master Hsuan Hua.
Re: New Translation: Suttas from the Suttanipāta
Ditto and ditto. I'm really enjoying reading this, and its fitting in with my collection of sutta nipata translations quite well
For real
"People often get too quick to say 'there's no self. There's no self...no self...no self.' There is self, there is focal point, its not yours. That's what not self is."
Ninoslav Ñāṇamoli
Senses and the Thought-1, 42:53
"Those who create constructs about the Buddha,
Who is beyond construction and without exhaustion,
Are thereby damaged by their constructs;
They fail to see the Thus-Gone.
That which is the nature of the Thus-Gone
Is also the nature of this world.
There is no nature of the Thus-Gone.
There is no nature of the world."
Nagarjuna
MMK XXII.15-16
Ninoslav Ñāṇamoli
Senses and the Thought-1, 42:53
"Those who create constructs about the Buddha,
Who is beyond construction and without exhaustion,
Are thereby damaged by their constructs;
They fail to see the Thus-Gone.
That which is the nature of the Thus-Gone
Is also the nature of this world.
There is no nature of the Thus-Gone.
There is no nature of the world."
Nagarjuna
MMK XXII.15-16