If there is no kamma and reberth the validity of paticca samuppada cannot be realised. The whole of buddhist practise rests on paticca samuppada.
If I am reborn it is not me. So why I care about the rebirth?
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Re: If I am reborn it is not me. So why I care about the rebirth?
Thank you, Binocular.
It is a good article.
What it failed to deliver is Buddha gave a different meaning to re-birth prevailed in his time.
He did not tech re-birth but taught birth.
What I think is, we still get hold to the old Hindu belief in re-birth as Buddhist.
Our aim as Buddhist should be to be happy in this life.
It is a good article.
What it failed to deliver is Buddha gave a different meaning to re-birth prevailed in his time.
He did not tech re-birth but taught birth.
What I think is, we still get hold to the old Hindu belief in re-birth as Buddhist.
Our aim as Buddhist should be to be happy in this life.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
Re: If I am reborn it is not me. So why I care about the rebirth?
As my previous post,-Buddha gave a different meaning to re-birth and Kamma.If there is no kamma and reberth the validity of paticca samuppada cannot be realised. The whole of buddhist practise rests on paticca samuppada.
Many of Buddhist still interpret those two terms based on old Hindu philosophy.
We should use the DO based on one life model because there is no person behind our existence.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
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Dependant origination continues through samsara(in sensual worlds or kama loka) until the reach higher forms to those of nirvana. Physical death in this birth is only a change of phase in samsara. Hence kamma is a force which continues through samsara but not not a force which changes from this life to next life. Yet cuti citta will make certain changes with the realms ( loka) one goes through samsara.SarathW wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:30 amAs my previous post,-Buddha gave a different meaning to re-birth and Kamma.If there is no kamma and reberth the validity of paticca samuppada cannot be realised. The whole of buddhist practise rests on paticca samuppada.
Many of Buddhist still interpret those two terms based on old Hindu philosophy.
We should use the DO based on one life model because there is no person behind our existence.
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To me the idea of complete extinction at death is more difficult than the idea of some kind of continuation or "rebirth".
Buddha save me from new-agers!
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Some translate dukkha as "stress", so "stress relief" seems like a valid goal for a Buddhist. As for "atheism", there is no requirement to believe in God for a Buddhist. And if you do believe in God, then Hinduism might be a more suitable option.davidbrainerd wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 12:50 am You're just atheists who meditate for stress relief, not Buddhists.
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What does that mean, can you explain the relation between right view and the role belief plays in this.
I’m defining belief as in faith.
How does faith in kamma and rebirth liberate one from suffering? It seems like the cars gassed up ready to go but hasn’t left the driveway yet.
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Familiarity with the teaching leads to faith.
Faith leads to heaven.
Faith leads to heaven.
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Is heaven the goal.cappuccino wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:19 pm Familiarity with the teaching leads to faith.
Faith leads to heaven.
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Atheists will be in hell or animal womb. Because they reject karma and rebirth.
So heaven is the goal in terms of view.
So heaven is the goal in terms of view.
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I have no idea what your talking about, who is an atheist?cappuccino wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:50 pm Atheists will be in hell or animal womb. Because they reject karma and rebirth.
So heaven is the goal in terms of view.
I don’t think heaven is the goal, heaven is impermanent state.
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The atheist is an example, of doubting karma and rebirth.
And therefore they will be reborn in hell or the animal womb.
And the alternative view, accepting karma and rebirth, leads to heaven.
But atheists, for their doubt, will not enter heaven.
So, safety is accepting karma and rebirth. And heaven is the result perhaps.
And therefore they will be reborn in hell or the animal womb.
And the alternative view, accepting karma and rebirth, leads to heaven.
But atheists, for their doubt, will not enter heaven.
So, safety is accepting karma and rebirth. And heaven is the result perhaps.
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Then why are atheists born as humans? I’m sure there are plenty of peaceful atheists?cappuccino wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:59 pm The atheist is an example, of doubting karma and rebirth.
And therefore they will be reborn in hell or the animal womb.
And the alternative view, accepting karma and rebirth, leads to heaven.
But atheists, for their doubt, will not enter heaven.
So, safety is accepting karma and rebirth. And heaven is the result perhaps.
There is no safety in belief, there is safety in experience/wisdom.
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If one choose to believe in atheism, one is also the only one who's gonna come to the conclusion: I was totally wrong all the time ...!
If you didn't care
What happened to me
And I didn't care for you
We would zig-zag our way
Through the boredom and pain
Occasionally glancing up through the rain
Wondering which of the
Buggers to blame
And watching for pigs on the wing
- Roger Waters
What happened to me
And I didn't care for you
We would zig-zag our way
Through the boredom and pain
Occasionally glancing up through the rain
Wondering which of the
Buggers to blame
And watching for pigs on the wing
- Roger Waters
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So an atheist lacks the belief in the existence of a god or permanent soul. so why can’t an atheist possess wisdom of Annicca, anatta, dhukka?Crazy cloud wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:42 pm If one choose to believe in atheism, one is also the only one who's gonna come to the conclusion: I was totally wrong all the time ...!
Why is an atheist wrong all the time?