Why a good nihilist experience rebirth?

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Re: Why a good nihilist experience rebirth?

Post by binocular » Sat Mar 03, 2018 6:41 am

SarathW wrote:
Sat Mar 03, 2018 3:24 am
Thus asked, I would answer, 'Form is inconstant... Feeling... Perception... Fabrications... Consciousness is inconstant. That which is inconstant is stressful. That which is stressful has ceased and gone to its end."
I think atheists have the same view.
Some atheists, yes, but not all. In contrast, there are, for example, people who are both epicurean and atheist, and they don't think that some feelings and perceptions are stressful; they think they are enjoyable.

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Re: Why a good nihilist experience rebirth?

Post by dylanj » Sat Mar 03, 2018 7:44 am

wrong view. right view is the first step of the path. it's not possible for one with right view to properly complete any other part of the path.
susukhaṁ vata nibbānaṁ,
sammā­sambud­dha­desitaṁ;
asokaṁ virajaṁ khemaṁ,
yattha dukkhaṁ nirujjhatī


Oh! extinction is so very blissful,
As taught by the One Rightly Self-Awakened:
Sorrowless, stainless, secure;
Where suffering all ceases


etaṁ santaṁ etaṁ paṇītaṁ yadidaṁ sabbasaṅkhārasamatho sabbūpadhipaṭi nissaggo taṇhakkhayo virāgo nirodho nibbānaṁ

This is peaceful, this is excellent, that is: the stilling of all preparations, the relinquishment of all attachments, the destruction of craving, detachment, cessation, extinction.

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Re: Why a good nihilist experience rebirth?

Post by SarathW » Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:03 am

right view is the first step of the path.
This also another view.
What I am saying is modern atheist can have the same view without accepting rebirth and Kamma.
Perhaps the atheist will agree with the one life model of the rebirth and Kamma.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: Why a good nihilist experience rebirth?

Post by rightviewftw » Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:06 am

Someone wrote:
Sat Mar 03, 2018 3:24 am
Thus asked, I would answer, 'Form is inconstant... Feeling... Perception... Fabrications... Consciousness is inconstant. That which is inconstant is stressful. That which is stressful has ceased and gone to its end."
I think atheists have the same view.
In letter but not in meaning. Venerable Sariputta is talking about Rupa, Vedana, Sankharas as the First Noble Truth which automatically assumes existence of Deathless and The 3rd Noble Truth.

This is not at all what an Atheist talks about when he/she use those words, even if it sounds the same, if asked for definitions it will be clear that the meaning is something else entirely.
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Re: Why a good nihilist experience rebirth?

Post by justindesilva » Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:08 am

SarathW wrote:
Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:03 am
right view is the first step of the path.
This also another view.
What I am saying is modern atheist can have the same view without accepting rebirth and Kamma.
Perhaps the atheist will agree with the one life model of the rebirth and Kamma.
One who does not believe in rebirth and kamma will not be scared to act immorally. And such a person cannot have any desire to reach the stage of nibbana.

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Re: Why a good nihilist experience rebirth?

Post by rightviewftw » Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:19 am

SarathW wrote:
Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:03 am
right view is the first step of the path.
This also another view.
What I am saying is modern atheist can have the same view without accepting rebirth and Kamma.
Perhaps the atheist will agree with the one life model of the rebirth and Kamma.
A decent Bible quote Matthew 7:5;
You hypocrite, first take the wooden log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

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Re: Why a good nihilist experience rebirth?

Post by pegembara » Sat Mar 03, 2018 11:09 pm

SarathW wrote:
Sat Mar 03, 2018 2:53 am
Depends on whether the modern-day atheist feels or perceives that things are happening to him.
I think modern-day atheist think that the body is like the simile of the chariot.
At death, all the aggregate goes back to earth or whatever.
He still feels that aging and sickness is happening to him although intellectually he may reason otherwise. He is still not freed from the view of a self that only live once. So let's make full use of this one life. He is not finished with the business of living and relishing pleasurable experiences.
And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech.

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Re: Why a good nihilist experience rebirth?

Post by binocular » Sun Mar 04, 2018 6:35 pm

rightviewftw wrote:
Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:19 am
A decent Bible quote Matthew 7:5;
You hypocrite, first take the wooden log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
Because a discussion forum is not for discussion!
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Re: Why a good nihilist experience rebirth?

Post by rightviewftw » Sun Mar 04, 2018 6:40 pm

binocular wrote:
Sun Mar 04, 2018 6:35 pm
rightviewftw wrote:
Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:19 am
A decent Bible quote Matthew 7:5;
You hypocrite, first take the wooden log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
Because a discussion forum is not for discussion!
:yingyang:
do you want to discuss this or are you just throwing random remarks with nasty implications?

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