What is vipassana and anapanasati?

[befriend]

Vipassana is observing how things arise and pass there many types of vipassana. The theory of vipassana is to experience the impermanent, unsatisfying, selfless nature of everything. These three things are called the three universal characteristics when you dwell in a state of clear seeing the mind can become quite shocked because it's used to seeing everything as permanent, desirable, and belonging to a self. the defilements are based on confused seeing so when you see reality, the three characteristics this slowly erodes the defilements because your being knows from direct experience there is nothing to desire, hate or confuse. So in turn one becomes more compassionate by dissolving negative states from seeing the flux that is life.

[thepea]

that's an interesting perspective, thepea. in one sutta the buddha teaches contemplation of foulness and goes into retreat and then several monks kill themselves. then he teaches anapansati as an alternative

I’m not familiar with the suttas but it would seem Buddha taught anapanasati from the beginning, perhaps some monks were confused in his absence?

[User1249x]

practicing aversion to the body whilst trying to supress five hindrances, does this make sense to u...
do not teach in this way.

[Dhammarakkhito]

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html that is the sutta thepea. rightview, it's not aversion it is attention to an inherent quality, ignored by deluded beings

[User1249x]

contemplation of foulness

Actually it was said in regards to that i looked back and it was you who said it and i just wanted to comment as fear of aversion to the body came up.
Idk why post was removed and if was?

I know it is not aversion that is why i said it is stupid to train "aversion to anything" let alone aversion to the body...
Aversion is one of the hindrances too. In regards to that i said "Do not teach like this" and it was not meant for you.

Body contemplation has to do with conception of internal and external perspectives and investigation of concepts, it has naught to do with aversion training. Detachment happens by it self and it counters craving for sense objects as well as leading to Material and Immaterial Jhanas.

If not sure one should practice Karuna whilst training Asubha in sense that one looks at the body and it's constituents as a doctor would wishing well being for a patient. Considering it's vulnerable nature in terms of being prone to damage and disease, it's purpose and utility as a vehicle to Liberation for the benefit of many.

This will establish Metta and Karuna in regards to one's own body and that of others. Also it is a good way to train it in general and for vulnerability one can consider each organ in terms of elements and think how objects like oceans and the planets that are also made up of those elements are subject to destruction.

Training like this is a safe way to practice but in general one should not do this unsupervised if one is a new to the training. Because one needs to put it all in a proper context so it trains wisdom and good things, to not cultivate some delusion and suffering.

non-attractiveness is better than foulness in this sense, because what one considers foul that one is aversed to.

Also if person is of Aversive type, ie finds body very gross to begin with or prone to anger, he should train differently and definitely find a teacher to supervise and not go on internet forum advice for instruction

[thepea]

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html that is the sutta thepea.

Thanks, they must have been mentally unbalanced monks for sixty of them to commit suicide.
Seems a bit far fetched, I don’t buy it.
And why wouldn’t Buddha have foreseen this and put a stop to the insanity, or someone go tell him.
Doesn’t strike me as a good way to run your meditation retreat. To go off in seclusion not to be disturbed while your students commit mass suicide.
Naughty Buddha!

[Dhammarakkhito]

excrement is foul, it is described as being unpleasant. it is compared to defilements, this is separate from equanimity. in fact a sutta i read recently comes to mind that mentions being equanimous to what is foul (as i recall it). better yet, here you will read the comparison that is not an exaggeration, as an arahant is saying it: https://suttacentral.net/en/an9.15
we really are that deluded to find flesh beings attractive

[Dhammarakkhito]

if i contemplate it a while i might come up with an answer, but i suggest doing the same, consider that your view is wrong and the dhamma is right and this is authentic dhamma

[Dhammarakkhito]

last comment @ thepea

[Dhammarakkhito]

not saying your view is necessarily wrong, just that it is not necessarily right. defer to kālāma sutta

[Dhammarakkhito]

“Bhikkhus, these seven factors of enlightenment, when developed and cultivated, lead to utter revulsion, to dispassion, to cessation, to peace, to direct knowledge, to enlightenment, to Nibbāna. What seven? The enlightenment factor of mindfulness … the enlightenment factor of equanimity. These seven factors of enlightenment … lead to Nibbāna.”
https://suttacentral.net/en/sn46.20

[DooDoot]

What is vipassana and anapanasati and are there any other meditations type in Buddhism.

'Sati' means 'to govern' sense experience with 'active wisdom' ('sampajanna'); which results in the establishment of a mind without craving. When the mind is established without craving, the breathing will naturally become the primary sense object of the mind. This experience is called 'Anapanasati', namely, having mindfulness when knowing breathing.

'Vipassana" means to 'see clearly' the impermanent, unsatisfactory & not-self nature of conditioned phenomena. For example, when practising Anapanasati, it can be clearly seen how each in-breath is impermanent & how each out-breath is impermanent.

Therefore, Anapanasati & Vipassana are not different types of meditations. Instead, Vipassana is something that occurs when Anapanasati is practised.

[JC938]

Thanks everyone.

[User1249x]

I assume the revolting part was to me, it is hard to tell when you do not quote.

I understand what you are saying but i think further discussion in this direction is going to lead to me saying "it is revolting as that sutta says" but still my post on aversion was rightfully said in meaning it carries. Whatever aversion one feels for the body to begin with that is the aversion there, one should not practice Aversion to the body or give a student an impression that that is what he is supposed to cultivate.

Whatever aversion one feels for the body to begin with is the aversion there

is also why it works vs infatuation btw

And the aversion in the Revulsion Sutta(just read your quote), refers to realization of the 1st Noble Truth as far as i can tell, complete revulsion with Suffering by direct realization of Not-Suffering.

Similar context thing as saying;
One out to kill anger
or Tathagata killed Devadatta

But it is different a bit in regards to the Noble Attainment of Truth about Suffering and having direct realization of the Cessation of Suffering, they are all unique context is what i mean.


This is jumping out of contexts and if you dont really have a problem with what i said i think it is better to leave it.

[pinit29]

Annapanasati and vipassana are different things but they are closely related.

Annapanasati is the form of concentration on the breathing (in and out). We can say that Annapanasati gives birth to all Bhavana (Samatha and Vipasssana). Any Bhavana that lack of Annapanasati is not sama-samadhi. Once you practice annapanasati, you will have a choice to either go to the way of Samatha or Vipassana.