Why does a comedian go to hell or animal womb?

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Re: Why does a comedian go to hell or animal womb?

Post by auto » Mon Feb 19, 2018 3:09 pm

It is about the point that laughter and happiness doesn't change your destination if you are deluded and bound by bond of passion.

reading some other Suttas of that Sutta group will help understand.

like https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html
Paccha-bhumika Sutta SN 42.6
a quote from there:
"Suppose a man were to throw a large boulder into a deep lake of water, and a great crowd of people, gathering & congregating, would pray, praise, & circumambulate with their hands palm-to-palm over the heart [saying,] 'Rise up, O boulder! Come floating up, O boulder! Come float to the shore, O boulder!' What do you think: would that boulder — because of the prayers, praise, & circumambulation of that great crowd of people — rise up, come floating up, or come float to the shore?"
"No, lord."
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Re: Why does a comedian go to hell or animal womb?

Post by SDC » Mon Feb 19, 2018 3:19 pm

Mr Man wrote:
Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:51 pm
I guess Dhammarakkhito's posts are being delayed by the moderators but I had originally posted directly after cappuccino's Sutta quote which would seem to say that.
There is no post approval in this forum, so no posts are "being delayed by the moderators".

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Re: Why does a comedian go to hell or animal womb?

Post by auto » Mon Feb 19, 2018 3:33 pm

also same Sutta group is a Sutta
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html
Maniculaka Sutta SN 42.10

what i gather from that Sutta is that buddhadharma followers money is not allowed.

last paragraph of that Sutta:
"Now I do say that thatch may be sought for by one needing thatch, wood may be sought for by one needing wood, a cart may be sought for by one needing a cart, a workman may be sought for by one needing a workman, but by no means do I say that money may be consented to or sought for in any way at all."
does it mean that if i need trousers, then i am not allowed to use money to buy them also jewelry or exchanging shirt to trousers? since shirt would be a money and would give ideas of trade etc.

i know because it doesn't make any difference because the destination is still hell if bound by passions.

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Re: Why does a comedian go to hell or animal womb?

Post by Mr Man » Mon Feb 19, 2018 3:53 pm

SDC wrote:
Mon Feb 19, 2018 3:19 pm
Mr Man wrote:
Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:51 pm
I guess Dhammarakkhito's posts are being delayed by the moderators but I had originally posted directly after cappuccino's Sutta quote which would seem to say that.
There is no post approval in this forum, so no posts are "being delayed by the moderators".
Okay. Well anyway my post was posted to follow on from cappuccino's post.

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Re: Why does a comedian go to hell or animal womb?

Post by binocular » Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:32 pm

auto wrote:
Mon Feb 19, 2018 3:09 pm
It is about the point that laughter and happiness doesn't change your destination if you are deluded and bound by bond of passion.
Excellent point!
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Re: Why does a comedian go to hell or animal womb?

Post by DNS » Mon Feb 19, 2018 6:21 pm

auto wrote:
Mon Feb 19, 2018 3:33 pm
also same Sutta group is a Sutta
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html
Maniculaka Sutta SN 42.10
what i gather from that Sutta is that buddhadharma followers money is not allowed.

does it mean that if i need trousers, then i am not allowed to use money to buy them also jewelry or exchanging shirt to trousers? since shirt would be a money and would give ideas of trade etc.
Sakyan-son contemplatives

That sutta is referring to Sakyan-son contemplatives, i.e., monks and nuns, not lay people. Lay people are allowed to use money, engage in trade, business, livelihoods, etc.

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Re: Why does a comedian go to hell or animal womb?

Post by Dhammarakkhito » Mon Feb 19, 2018 7:01 pm

auto wrote:
Mon Feb 19, 2018 3:33 pm
also same Sutta group is a Sutta
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html
Maniculaka Sutta SN 42.10

what i gather from that Sutta is that buddhadharma followers money is not allowed.

last paragraph of that Sutta:
"Now I do say that thatch may be sought for by one needing thatch, wood may be sought for by one needing wood, a cart may be sought for by one needing a cart, a workman may be sought for by one needing a workman, but by no means do I say that money may be consented to or sought for in any way at all."
does it mean that if i need trousers, then i am not allowed to use money to buy them also jewelry or exchanging shirt to trousers? since shirt would be a money and would give ideas of trade etc.

i know because it doesn't make any difference because the destination is still hell if bound by passions.
idk how we got on this topic, but while it is a requirement only for monks, it's still beneficial for laypeople.
Ghaṭīkāra the potter, sire, doubts not about anguish … the uprising of anguish … the stopping of anguish, he doubts not about the course leading to the stopping of anguish. Ghaṭīkāra the potter, sire, is a one-meal-man, a Brahma-farer, virtuous, lovely in character. Ghaṭīkāra the potter, sire, is one who has laid aside jewels and wrought gold, who is without gold and silver. Ghaṭīkāra the potter, sire, does not dig the earth either with a spade or with his own hand; willingly he makes a vessel from the soil of a bank that is crumbling or scratched out by rats and dogs, and he speaks thus: “He that likes, if he lays down fragments of husked rice here, fragments of kidney-beans, fragments of chick-peas, may take whatever he likes.” Ghaṭīkāra the potter, sire, looks after his blind ageing parents. Ghaṭīkāra the potter, sire, by the destruction of the five fetters binding to this lower (shore), is of spontaneous uprising, he attains final nibbāna there, he is not liable to return from that world.
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Re: Why does a comedian go to hell or animal womb?

Post by justindesilva » Tue Feb 20, 2018 6:44 pm

cappuccino wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 6:53 pm
having made others intoxicated & heedless … is reborn in hell
When lord budda was seated under the bo tree determined to be enlightened , it is said the three dsughters of mara , tanha , rathi , and ranga appeared before lord budda and tried to dissuade budda. While tanha means greed, and rathi means lust and ranga means bodily dancing creating sensual desires they are acts against serenity or aryan habits. A comedian or a singer cum actor never helps acts of sila or virtues and are means of kamaccanda. Therefore the place for such people who are like Tanha, rathi, ranga are the worlds of hell or purgatory.

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