The above is an obvious mistransation, which was refuted here by Piotr, which seems to make whatever point you are making as invalid. The above dhammas are explained in many suttas and it is so plain & obvious the translations of Thanissaro, Bodhi, Brahmali, etc, are incorrect, here. This again shows, despite many Buddhists reading the same suttas, that each of these Buddhists cannot have Right View.rightviewftw wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:48 amhttps://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html
On being asked this by those who have gone forth in other sects, this is how you should answer them:
"'All phenomena are rooted in desire.
"'All phenomena come into play through attention.
"'All phenomena have contact as their origination.
"'All phenomena have feeling as their meeting place.
"'All phenomena have concentration as their presiding state.
"'All phenomena have mindfulness as their governing principle.
"'All phenomena have discernment as their surpassing state.
"'All phenomena have release as their heartwood.
"'All phenomena gain their footing in the deathless.
"'All phenomena have Unbinding as their final end.'
I informed you previously that a semantic analysis of Pali might debunk much of Theravada; just as a simple sutta analysis of the dhammas in AN 10.58 debunks the current orthodox view of AN 10.58. Just as the universal printing of the Bible debunked the authority of the Catholic Church, so might the universal publication of the Pali suttas debunk the authority of "Theravada".
No. Aggregates are not included in the sutta explanations of "existence" ("bhava") I posted. These suttas appear to show only the idea of "self" ("atta") or idea of "beings" ("satta") is "existence" ("bhava"). The suttas appear to teach the cause of "existence" is craving & attachment. Due to craving & attachment, the sense of "existence" appears to be "imputed" upon the aggregates; just like a puthujjana "imputes" the idea of "Beauty Queen" upon a skeleton with internal organs wrapped in hair of the head, hair of the body, nails, teeth, skin & some make-up & lipstick.rightviewftw wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:48 amThe phenomena [Aggregates] of which the existence of living beings hindered by ignorance & fettered by craving is delineated gain footing in the Deathless property. Thus there is production of new state of Phenomena[Aggregates] of and from, previous state of Phenomena[Aggregates].
Why now do you assume 'a being'?
Mara, have you grasped a view?
This is a heap of sheer constructions:
Here no being is found.
Just as, with an assemblage of parts,
The word 'chariot' is used,
So, when the aggregates are present,
There's the convention 'a being.'
There are five aggregates. The above seems to be saying, similar to Thanissaro, the four aggregates of form, feeling, perception & consciousness engage in grasping. I think a sutta reference is required to support the view that 'the physical body aggregate engages in grasping' is Right View.
For example, when the physical body of a child clings to its mother, is it the physical body grasping to the mother or the mind of the child grasping to the mother?
Craving seems to be sufficient as the cause of grasping & suffering, as taught in the 2nd noble truth. Otherwise, ignorance can be identified as the cause of craving. However, there is no explicit need to refer to feeling & perception; even though the 12 links of dependent origination does, when explaining in detail.
Yes but arahants also appear to cognise, feel & perceive.
This sounds like DN 15, which is different to the core Dhamma. Recently, the Western scholars such as Bodhi, Thanissaro & Sujato have admitted (confessed) the likelihood DN 15 was composed (probably not by the Buddha) for use in converting Brahmans to Buddhism. In other words, DN 15 might possibly be fake dharma.
No. There are many suttas that say the view of elements is wisdom (MN 115). Again, please provide evidence from the suttas showing the Deathless property is singleness to show this is Right View. I have only read the Deathless property is void of greed, hatred & delusion (rather than it is "signless").
DN 11 is also possibly a sutta for Brahmins teaching about a signless immaterial jhana rather than teaching about the Deathless Nibbana. Iti 44 says cessation with residue is when the arahant is void of greed, hatred & delusion but still experiences pleasant & painful vedana. The idea of "no footing" found in DN 11 is not found in Iti 44, which explains cessation with residue.
Again, sutta references are needed to support this above as Right View.
"Stream of aggregates" ("khandha-sota") . Please provide a sutta reference for this.
A rock is a compounded thing (sankhara) yet is not suffering. A Buddha has a formations aggregate (SN 22.85) but a Buddha does not suffer. Again, evidence is required to show all formations are suffering.