Kamma of robots and artificial inteligence

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Re: Kamma of robots and artificial inteligence

Post by dylanj » Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:01 pm

Sāriputta, there are these four kinds of generation. What are the four? Egg-born generation, womb-born generation, moisture-born generation, and spontaneous generation.

“What is egg-born generation? There are these beings born by breaking out of the shell of an egg; this is called egg-born generation. What is womb-born generation? There are these beings born by breaking out from the caul; this is called womb-born generation. What is moisture-born generation? There are these beings born in a rotten fish, in a rotten corpse, in rotten porridge, in a cesspit, or in a sewer; this is called moisture-born generation. What is spontaneous generation? There are gods and denizens of hell and certain human beings and some beings in the lower worlds; this is called spontaneous generation. These are the four kinds of generation.
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susukhaṁ vata nibbānaṁ,
sammā­sambud­dha­desitaṁ;
asokaṁ virajaṁ khemaṁ,
yattha dukkhaṁ nirujjhatī


Oh! extinction is so very blissful,
As taught by the One Rightly Self-Awakened:
Sorrowless, stainless, secure;
Where suffering all ceases


etaṁ santaṁ etaṁ paṇītaṁ yadidaṁ sabbasaṅkhārasamatho sabbūpadhipaṭi nissaggo taṇhakkhayo virāgo nirodho nibbānaṁ

This is peaceful, this is excellent, that is: the stilling of all preparations, the relinquishment of all attachments, the destruction of craving, detachment, cessation, extinction.

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Re: Kamma of robots and artificial inteligence

Post by Bundokji » Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:10 pm

Nwad wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:52 pm
I think i still see my question relevant, beacause that food can be replaced by "energy" with witch an automatic AI can be charged and to which AI can feel craving, that can conduse to stealing. Or craving about information, power, ... Also if AI have a sens of self-protection, because it is aware of itself or aware about its vulnerability, this sens can drive to a murdering of some living being...
OK then!

So, can you still call it artificial intelligence if it has all of the above? Note that we call it AI in contrast to our own intelligence which we view as natural, real or genuine. What would be the difference between the above and a living being, except you insisting on calling it AI?
And the Blessed One addressed the bhikkhus, saying: "Behold now, bhikkhus, I exhort you: All compounded things are subject to vanish. Strive with earnestness!"

This was the last word of the Tathagata.

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Re: Kamma of robots and artificial inteligence

Post by Nwad » Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:18 pm

dylanj wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:57 pm

This will never happen

you shouldn't listen to these wacky materialist scientists, someone who doesn't understand consciousness can put it into any hypothetical situation
Yes, perhaps its will never heppen... How can we put a reception of mental activity to some machine?
Its easy to make a eye, ear, noise, tangue and touch, but how to make a mind?

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Re: Kamma of robots and artificial inteligence

Post by LG2V » Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:05 pm

JamesTheGiant wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:39 am
Yes, they will accumulate kamma, just like a meat-person. (Biological human).
In Buddhism there is something called a Ghandabba, kind of like a spark of life-force or soul-like thing, which comes from somewhere else and into a human embryo in the womb. Without that ghandabba, the embryo is not a human.
Presumably, when an AI reaches a certain level, a ghandabba will enter and the thing will be "alive", and capable of creating kammic actions.
It would be interesting to see if an AI would be different with and without the ghandabba... and if it would be really really angry to have been brought into the suffering of samsara.
Maybe It would be possible for an AI to work fine and have no ghandhabba, just like fictional vampires, who work ok and think and have emotions but vampires have no souls anymore.
Maybe this is all a lot of hot air and speculation! Fun to think about though.
I agree with this. I think that sentience is a potential consequence of "artificial" intelligent life.
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Re: Kamma of robots and artificial inteligence

Post by LG2V » Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:06 pm

dylanj wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:01 pm
Sāriputta, there are these four kinds of generation. What are the four? Egg-born generation, womb-born generation, moisture-born generation, and spontaneous generation.

“What is egg-born generation? There are these beings born by breaking out of the shell of an egg; this is called egg-born generation. What is womb-born generation? There are these beings born by breaking out from the caul; this is called womb-born generation. What is moisture-born generation? There are these beings born in a rotten fish, in a rotten corpse, in rotten porridge, in a cesspit, or in a sewer; this is called moisture-born generation. What is spontaneous generation? There are gods and denizens of hell and certain human beings and some beings in the lower worlds; this is called spontaneous generation. These are the four kinds of generation.
https://suttacentral.net/en/mn12
Good point. Thanks for posting.
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Re: Kamma of robots and artificial inteligence

Post by Dhammarakkhito » Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:45 am

jamesthe giant, there are not just one but three conditions for conception. https://suttacentral.net/en/ea21.3
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