Worldly success & Dhamma practice

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Re: Worldly success & Dhamma practice

Post by samsarictravelling » Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:59 am

Perhaps there is no need for it. :shrug:
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Re: Worldly success & Dhamma practice

Post by samsarictravelling » Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:01 am

justindesilva wrote:
Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:07 am
samsarictravelling wrote:
Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:53 am
You (Saengnapha) said:

Both the world and your self are creations of your own making. Conceptions. You continue to create them in each moment. What kind of renouncing will stop that? None that you would volitionally make. Can you comprehend my logic?

I answer:

If buddhist monkhood did not help to attain spirituality, there would be no need of the buddhist monkhood institution.

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Lord budda clearly saw the event that all could not experience priesthood. There by he advised laymen to go about their businness while experiencing the lay life. No. 1 being the advise to follow the five precepts as minimum virtue or Sila. Then at instances he advised the laymen to develop their skills as of Sigalovada sutta and then not to engage in unskilful social events as stealing , gambling, or sexual misconducts which are unnskilful living of personnel and social degradation as of Parabhava sutta.
Then lord buddha created the living ethics for laymen as upasaka upasika with ashtanga sila , while elevating one upto a dasa ( ten) sila. As one elevates one from panca sila to ashtanga sila , they get skilled in getting away from sex or panca kama while restraining from daily habits of keeping away from meals after the sun sets from noon and giving more time to meditate. The upositha ( ashtanga sila) also includes in not sitting on comfortable seats and keeping away from music and perfumes. It is only a person who can observe arya ashtangasila , that can later renounce this lay life to become a samanera or an ascetic to observe the millions of virtues ( sila) that an ascetic observes to travel in the arya ashtangika marga in.order to enjoy marga pala from sotapanna to nirvana.
Secondly we must appreciate that the few remaining sangha is expected and fulfils the need of social welfare of running damma schools to educate the young buddhists. The sangha community also fulfils funeral rites, attends alms givings (dana) and engages in sermons as of social necessity while fulfilling their personnel need of furthering their educational status.
With all these there are sangha who has attained higher standards of sila who very well advice in our path to liberation.
With metta.
Thank you for your input.

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Re: Worldly success & Dhamma practice

Post by samsarictravelling » Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:02 am

Dhammarakkhito wrote:
Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:29 am
how to be a good layfollower: https://suttacentral.net/en/dn31

https://suttacentral.net/en/snp2.14

i'm sure there are more
if you get wealthy, share it, take care of your parents, give to the saṅgha etc etc
Thank you for your input, also.

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Re: Worldly success & Dhamma practice

Post by auto » Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:22 pm

World success as dharma is like someone telling a joke, you get it it is a joke and consequently blocking the outflows what would make you laugh, so you next think should you fake laughing or what would be the best thing to do to get away from this difficult situation.
In short if you come aware you see brightness, light, eyes spark then the choices and actions you do are empty and you will go down not up to success in worldly terms.

When you are planning to do is to make yourself wanted via tangible success like cars, house, papers and then what you get is females who are retinues of mara, appearances what are not empty.

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Re: Worldly success & Dhamma practice

Post by purist_andrew » Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:18 pm

I want to thank you all deeply for your advice.

I will take this advice and think about it and perhaps post more of my thoughts on this subject in the near future.

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Re: Worldly success & Dhamma practice

Post by Circle5 » Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:37 pm

A successful person is successful whatever he does. One who is successful in his lay life will also be successful in the buddhist path.

If you can't become a monk due to life conditions, then by all means be a successful lay person. If you are a failure, you won't have the money, power and time that might help you in promoting the dhamma and doing many other good things. You might not even have the time to study the dhamma. There were times in my life when I had problems with money due to making mistakes and being unsuccessful at my job. There were times when I really wanted to do a good deed for a human or animal but didn't have the money. So if you are going to remain a lay person, try to be doing good with money. Don't try to be some form of an urban monk, that will only serve as an excuse in your mind for being a burnout. Plus, you're not setting an example to other people through being a burnout, you're not gona be a good commercial to buddhism. It is always good to lead by example.

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