Well, of course, this is what we are trying to make sense of, with the help of the suttas, and of people who have spent some time analysing dependent origination:Saengnapha wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:47 amThis thread is getting a little muddy, I think. I didn't post that sutta quote. How could naming occur before visual contact? It seems the image must be constructed before the naming of it.
I agree with Chownah that the self appears to be a mental formation, sankhara. It seems to happen during the activity of perception where the categorization and identification of an 'object' takes place and the subjective part personalizes experience.
What are your thoughts?
So what does it mean that“And what, bhikkhus, is dependent origination? With ignorance as condition, volitional formations come to be; with volitional formations as condition, consciousness; with consciousness as condition, name-and-form; with name-and-form as condition, the six sense bases; with the six sense bases as condition, contact; with contact as condition, feeling; with feeling as condition, craving; with craving as condition, clinging; with clinging as condition, existence; with existence as condition, birth; with birth as condition, aging-and-death, sorrow, lamentation, pain, displeasure, and despair come to be. Such is the origin of this whole mass of suffering. This, bhikkhus, is called dependent origination.
?with name-and-form as condition, the six sense bases; with the six sense bases as condition, contact;
Is this a temporal sequence, or something else?
Do you have any thoughts on Ven Analayo's explanations that I referenced here: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=30940 ?