It seems like you are trying to interpret Buddhist teachings through a UG lens - that is bound to be tricky!Saengnapha wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 4:05 am U.G. said many times that each person that comes into this natural state will be necessarily unique in their expression of it. They will also affect the consciousness of all beings in ways we can't understand.
Nāmarūpa - Named Form?
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....and probably belongs in the Connections to other Paths forum.Dinsdale wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 11:36 amIt seems like you are trying to interpret Buddhist teachings through a UG lens - that is bound to be tricky!Saengnapha wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 4:05 am U.G. said many times that each person that comes into this natural state will be necessarily unique in their expression of it. They will also affect the consciousness of all beings in ways we can't understand.
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It's the same as you would do through a Buddhist lens. But, I already know that because of the terminology and the differences in the cultures of 2500 years ago, backgrounds of individuals who been awakened at various times in history, etc., they will never match. That really doesn't bother me. But there are similarities that I've found, especially in the way that Bhante P talks about the Buddhist process and his commentaries on suttas, etc. Not everyone is going to rally around one teacher, but for most people, having one teacher is extremely beneficial, especially an awakened one. I'm not even sure that many of the posters here have ever had a close relationship with a teacher face to face. For all I know, most of this might be simply from reading or listening to youtube or such things.Dinsdale wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 11:36 amIt seems like you are trying to interpret Buddhist teachings through a UG lens - that is bound to be tricky!Saengnapha wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 4:05 am U.G. said many times that each person that comes into this natural state will be necessarily unique in their expression of it. They will also affect the consciousness of all beings in ways we can't understand.
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Do you have personal objections to me commenting on U.G. outside of the 'Connections To Other Paths' forum? If so, I can refrain, especially if the mods don't approve. I haven't heard anything from the mods at all about not posting here.chownah wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:03 pm....and probably belongs in the Connections to other Paths forum.Dinsdale wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 11:36 amIt seems like you are trying to interpret Buddhist teachings through a UG lens - that is bound to be tricky!Saengnapha wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 4:05 am U.G. said many times that each person that comes into this natural state will be necessarily unique in their expression of it. They will also affect the consciousness of all beings in ways we can't understand.
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Greetings Saengnapha,
Metta,
Paul.
It is off-topic and not relevant to a General Theravada discussion, so Chownah is correct.Saengnapha wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 4:46 pm Do you have personal objections to me commenting on U.G. outside of the 'Connections To Other Paths' forum? If so, I can refrain, especially if the mods don't approve. I haven't heard anything from the mods at all about not posting here.
Metta,
Paul.
"Whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things."
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Perhaps Namarupa could be a state between pure Nama and Pure Rupa.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
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Nama&Rupa = Aggregates = Rupa/Arupa Existence gaining footing int the Deathless.
Nama&Rupa = Impermanent, Possible
Deathless = Uncaused, Non-Impermanent, Possible
Here a clear statement for you Inviting refutation.
If want i will even explain things if asked because i loveyall
Nama&Rupa = Impermanent, Possible
Deathless = Uncaused, Non-Impermanent, Possible
Here a clear statement for you Inviting refutation.
If want i will even explain things if asked because i loveyall
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I did not mean Gandhabba here.What do you mean by a "state" ?
I just wonder whether there is an intermediate thing between Nama and Rupa.
ie: You cant say it is Nama or Rupa. It is a combination of both.
This is just another view.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
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If nama-rupa = aggregates then the Buddha would have called the 4th link aggregates. But the Buddha obviously did not do this.
There is always an official executioner. If you try to take his place, It is like trying to be a master carpenter and cutting wood. If you try to cut wood like a master carpenter, you will only hurt your hand.
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Hi sarath ,
Unfortunately , you could not get your answer from sc forum , so you try to find out here . The scholars and sophisticated poster there unable to give you a definite answer so is here . This is a myth for over thousands years .
Only a handful of people has the answer .
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Thanks James. I recall making many posts on this thread. I proposed 'nama-rupa' refers to 'inclinations' of the 'mind-body'.
There is always an official executioner. If you try to take his place, It is like trying to be a master carpenter and cutting wood. If you try to cut wood like a master carpenter, you will only hurt your hand.
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Ok , but how do you relate it in the dependent origination and dependent cessation to consciousness and six senses base ?
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'Inclination' of 'mind-body' arises due to ignorance & the sankharas. Consciousness will also simultaneously arise & be enslaved by ignorance & sankharas in this process. When the mind-body incline (such as are affected by sensual desire), the sense organs will incline to seek out sense objects externally.
For example, you try to meditate but ignorance attacks your mind-body with sankharas of sensual desire. So you stop meditating & the sense organs look for sense objects on the internet to gain sensual pleasure from.
But if the mind-body has mindfulness, instead of stimulating the external sense bases, mindfulness of the mind-body will calm the sankharas, attain samadhi, and, with vipassana, destroy ignorance; which is dependent cessation.
There is always an official executioner. If you try to take his place, It is like trying to be a master carpenter and cutting wood. If you try to cut wood like a master carpenter, you will only hurt your hand.
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