Why so few Western Buddhists?

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Re: Why so few Western Buddhists?

Post by chownah » Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:59 pm

binocular wrote:
Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:02 am
chownah wrote:
Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:24 am
You say "because harmony is valued above everything else" when speaking of eastern culture....I dispute that statement.
If harmony was valued above everything else then there would be no wars in eastern culture.
If harmony was valued above everything else then there would be no quarrels in eastern culture.
If harmony was valued above all else there would be no murders in eastern culture.
If harmoney was valued above all else then people would not amass gold in eastern culture.
If harmoney was valued above all else then it would not need to be enforced in eastern culture.
It's in order to establish harmony that people are executed, wars fought etc. It's because harmony is so important to them that they will kill for it.
Surely you jest. Most wars have been fought over power and wealth....in fact wars are almost exclusivly fought over power and wealth......"give me this piece of land as my control of it is necessary for harmony"..... :jawdrop: :jumping: :rofl:
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Re: Why so few Western Buddhists?

Post by Crazy cloud » Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:27 pm

Here's is a piece of land that looks quite harmonious ... :tongue:

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What happened to me
And I didn't care for you

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Occasionally glancing up through the rain

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Re: Why so few Western Buddhists?

Post by binocular » Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:28 pm

chownah wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:59 pm
Surely you jest. Most wars have been fought over power and wealth....in fact wars are almost exclusivly fought over power and wealth......"give me this piece of land as my control of it is necessary for harmony".....
Tomayto, tomahto.
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Re: Why so few Western Buddhists?

Post by chownah » Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:08 am

binocular wrote:
Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:28 pm
chownah wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:59 pm
Surely you jest. Most wars have been fought over power and wealth....in fact wars are almost exclusivly fought over power and wealth......"give me this piece of land as my control of it is necessary for harmony".....
Tomayto, tomahto.
Are you saying that "harmony" and "power and wealth" are the same thing?...or is this some obscure pali reference?.....or something else...
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Re: Why so few Western Buddhists?

Post by binocular » Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:47 pm

Some say wars are fought for power, some say they are fought for harmony. Now what?
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Re: Why so few Western Buddhists?

Post by binocular » Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:16 pm

A matter of interpretation.
For example, if you're feeling particularly generous, you can conceive of the Nazi'ss reason for going to war as simply a matter of economic and territorial gain.
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Re: Why so few Western Buddhists?

Post by manas » Fri Jan 19, 2018 11:38 am

DNS wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:14 pm
I agree with this. In our current time, there is a huge increase in secularization. People might identify as "Christian" or "Jewish" or "Buddhist" but in reality are non-religious, don't attend church/temple services and are basically agnostic and identify with a religion label merely because they were born into it. In the near future "non-religious" might be the number 2 ideology among the list of top 5 world religions.
I think much of our culture is nihilistic / annihilationist also.

:anjali:
Knowing this body is like a clay jar,
securing this mind like a fort,
attack Mara with the spear of discernment,
then guard what's won without settling there,
without laying claim.

- Dhp 40

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Re: Why so few Western Buddhists?

Post by chownah » Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:08 pm

binocular wrote:
Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:47 pm
Some say wars are fought for power, some say they are fought for harmony. Now what?
Talk is cheap...if you listen long enough some say just about everything that can be said....doesn't make it right or truthful though. Can you bring a reference where someone discussing fighting a war for harmony?
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Re: Why so few Western Buddhists?

Post by retrofuturist » Fri Jan 19, 2018 9:50 pm

Greetings,
manas wrote:
Fri Jan 19, 2018 11:38 am
DNS wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:14 pm
I agree with this. In our current time, there is a huge increase in secularization. People might identify as "Christian" or "Jewish" or "Buddhist" but in reality are non-religious, don't attend church/temple services and are basically agnostic and identify with a religion label merely because they were born into it. In the near future "non-religious" might be the number 2 ideology among the list of top 5 world religions.
I think much of our culture is nihilistic / annihilationist also.

:anjali:
I think those two things are closely intertwined...

Metta,
Paul. :)
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