Is Ganges river back flow in Varanasi?
Is this the support for the story that Buddha's alms bowel went up word the Ganges river?
Is Ganges river back flow in Varanasi?
Is Ganges river back flow in Varanasi?
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If you are referring to the story immediately before the Buddha's awakening, wasn't this the Neranjara River rather than the Ganges - of which it is a minor tributory?
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That's right. Thanks.wasn't this the Neranjara River
I am just wondering this is just a natural up flowing of Neranjara river.
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Re: Is Ganges river back flow in Varanasi?
How far did it go upstream?....a few centimeters?
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Of course not. It's an abbhutadhamma or miracle story. It would hardly have been worth reporting if the dish had just acted normally and floated in the direction one would expect it to float.
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Rūpehi bhikkhave arūpā santatarā.
Arūpehi nirodho santataro ti.
“Bhikkhus, the formless is more peaceful than the form realms.
Cessation is more peaceful than the formless realms.”
(Santatarasutta, Iti 73)
Arūpehi nirodho santataro ti.
“Bhikkhus, the formless is more peaceful than the form realms.
Cessation is more peaceful than the formless realms.”
(Santatarasutta, Iti 73)
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80 cubits.
But when the Bodhisatta had finished eating that milk-rice, he took the golden vessel, and said: “If I shall be able to-day to become a Buddha, let this pot go up the stream; if not, let it go down the stream!” and he threw it into the water. And it went, in spite of the stream, eighty cubits up the river in the middle of the stream, all the way as quickly as a fleet horse. And diving into a whirlpool it went to the palace of Kāḷa Nāgarāja (the Black Snake King); and striking against the bowls from which the three previous Buddhas had eaten, it made them sound “Killi killi!” and stopped as the lowest of them. Kāḷa, the Snake King, hearing the noise, exclaimed: “Yesterday a Buddha arose, now to-day another has arisen,” and he stood praising him in many hundred stanzas.
(Nidānakathā, tr. Th. Rhys Davids pp. 187-8)
Rūpehi bhikkhave arūpā santatarā.
Arūpehi nirodho santataro ti.
“Bhikkhus, the formless is more peaceful than the form realms.
Cessation is more peaceful than the formless realms.”
(Santatarasutta, Iti 73)
Arūpehi nirodho santataro ti.
“Bhikkhus, the formless is more peaceful than the form realms.
Cessation is more peaceful than the formless realms.”
(Santatarasutta, Iti 73)
Re: Is Ganges river back flow in Varanasi?
Well this explains it very clearly....there is a very large drain under the river and it can be opened and closed from the palace of kala nagaraja. The drain is so large that it not only drains the flow from upstream it also drains the flow from down stream obviously for a distance of at least 80 cubits. Someone opened that drain and the bowl was drawn along with the water moving towards and into the wirlpool created by the water going down the drain.....sort of like a rubber ducky being drawn towards the drain hole when one drains the bathtub.Dhammanando wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2017 6:29 am80 cubits.
But when the Bodhisatta had finished eating that milk-rice, he took the golden vessel, and said: “If I shall be able to-day to become a Buddha, let this pot go up the stream; if not, let it go down the stream!” and he threw it into the water. And it went, in spite of the stream, eighty cubits up the river in the middle of the stream, all the way as quickly as a fleet horse. And diving into a whirlpool it went to the palace of Kāḷa Nāgarāja (the Black Snake King); and striking against the bowls from which the three previous Buddhas had eaten, it made them sound “Killi killi!” and stopped as the lowest of them. Kāḷa, the Snake King, hearing the noise, exclaimed: “Yesterday a Buddha arose, now to-day another has arisen,” and he stood praising him in many hundred stanzas.
(Nidānakathā, tr. Th. Rhys Davids pp. 187-8)
chownah P.E.
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Isn't this practicing rites and rituals?he took the golden vessel, and said: “If I shall be able to-day to become a Buddha, let this pot go up the stream; if not, let it go down the stream!”
This sounds very un-Buddhist.
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What the Buddha problematised wasn't rites and rituals but misapprehension of them. It's the parāmāsa in sīlabbata-parāmāsa that's the flaw, not the sīla or the vata.
Sīlabbata-parāmāsa would be floating one's dish in the stream thinking: "By this performance there will be attainment of purity for me."
The power of augury operating via dhammaniyāma, prophetic dreams, earthquakes occurring at pivotally auspicious moments, marvels wrought by saccakiriyās, etc. are all impeccably Buddhist, even if they happen not to find favour with protestant Buddhists of the drearily modernist sort.
Rūpehi bhikkhave arūpā santatarā.
Arūpehi nirodho santataro ti.
“Bhikkhus, the formless is more peaceful than the form realms.
Cessation is more peaceful than the formless realms.”
(Santatarasutta, Iti 73)
Arūpehi nirodho santataro ti.
“Bhikkhus, the formless is more peaceful than the form realms.
Cessation is more peaceful than the formless realms.”
(Santatarasutta, Iti 73)
Re: Is Ganges river back flow in Varanasi?
In other words, the traditional Buddhist world is far more alive than what some modernist Buddhists give it credit for.Dhammanando wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:20 amThe power of augury operating via dhammaniyāma, prophetic dreams, earthquakes occurring at pivotally auspicious moments, marvels wrought by saccakiriyās, etc. are all impeccably Buddhist, even if they happen not to find favour with protestant Buddhists of the drearily modernist sort.
Hic Rhodus, hic salta!
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When I was young I used to through coconut to a target to find whether I am going to be first in my class.even if they happen not to find favour with protestant Buddhists of the drearily modernist sort.
That is why I thought this sort of rituals is childish.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
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Sure.....the traditional buddhist world is full of ghosts of all sorts.....and all sorts of magical things that can help you out in life....my mother in law showed me if on an occasion which honors yourself you receive a certain type of ornate floral assemblage and you receive some money how you can hold the money in your right hand and move it in a circular motion above the floral assemblage and this will bring you more money in your life.......she also warned me not to go down to the river at night because of the ghosts.....binocular wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:39 amIn other words, the traditional Buddhist world is far more alive than what some modernist Buddhists give it credit for.Dhammanando wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:20 amThe power of augury operating via dhammaniyāma, prophetic dreams, earthquakes occurring at pivotally auspicious moments, marvels wrought by saccakiriyās, etc. are all impeccably Buddhist, even if they happen not to find favour with protestant Buddhists of the drearily modernist sort.
chownah
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Which means that one is supposed to have the right attitude toward money, to have a kind of reverence for it; and reverence has to be expressed somehow. Nothing problematic about that.chownah wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:26 pmSure.....the traditional buddhist world is full of ghosts of all sorts.....and all sorts of magical things that can help you out in life....my mother in law showed me if on an occasion which honors yourself you receive a certain type of ornate floral assemblage and you receive some money how you can hold the money in your right hand and move it in a circular motion above the floral assemblage and this will bring you more money in your life.......
For example: I have heard that the standard advice for when one is being visited by a ghost is to send it to an accomplished practitioner. I apply it. My father sometimes has nightmares in which he speaks in his sleep. Usually, he's being tormented by someone and he is crying out "Let me go!" I go to his room and I ask the ghost to go to Ajahn Lee, for example. It works. Without waking, my father calms down and goes back to sleep. Otherwise, the nightmares continue and I can't stop them unless I forcibly wake my father up; upon which he is very distressed.she also warned me not to go down to the river at night because of the ghosts.....
Hic Rhodus, hic salta!
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It really is remarkable that you seem to think that you understand what my thai mother in law was teaching me and her attitudes toward money.......you must be clairvoyant in the extreme since you don't know who I am or who my thai mother in law was.......but I guess you know better than me.....binocular wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:36 pmWhich means that one is supposed to have the right attitude toward money, to have a kind of reverence for it; and reverence has to be expressed somehow. Nothing problematic about that.chownah wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:26 pmSure.....the traditional buddhist world is full of ghosts of all sorts.....and all sorts of magical things that can help you out in life....my mother in law showed me if on an occasion which honors yourself you receive a certain type of ornate floral assemblage and you receive some money how you can hold the money in your right hand and move it in a circular motion above the floral assemblage and this will bring you more money in your life.......
chownah
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People who are into science seem to have the most intense penchant for superstition ...chownah wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:19 amIt really is remarkable that you seem to think that you understand what my thai mother in law was teaching me and her attitudes toward money.......you must be clairvoyant in the extreme since you don't know who I am or who my thai mother in law was.......but I guess you know better than me.....
Hic Rhodus, hic salta!