Greetings Mr Man,
Mr Man wrote: ↑Mon Dec 25, 2017 6:29 pm
Okay so the question is "how should noumena be regarded".
So how is this question relevant to the goal?
This has been explained many times. Paticcasamuppada is about how avijja gives rise to sankhata-dhammas. The poll itself shows there are different perspectives on what constitutes sankhata-dhammas, therefore different understandings of paticcasamuppada... and they're not all going to all be correct, no matter how delightfully ecumenical such a suggestion may be. So... It's the most profound teaching of the Dhamma, and we can either understand it correctly or not. And if you can't see the relevance of paticcasamuppada and improved clarity on the definition of "dhamma" to the Dhamma and the Four Noble Truths, then I can't help you.
Mr Man wrote: ↑Mon Dec 25, 2017 6:29 pmAnd if it is relivent why it is not directly addressed in the sutta?
Arguably it is, since those "things" are mentioned throughout the suttas, just not under the banner of "noumena". Have you never seen a sutta where the Buddha is talking of water, gold, huts, villages, bowls, robes, buildings, skin, bone, hair, body, arms, legs, back etc.?
Now, the significance of all this has been explained to you multiple times. You will either see significance, to the Dhamma and/or the pursuit of the Noble Eightold Path, or you will not. If you see no value in this line of inquiry, this topic may not be for you. And that's OK.
Metta,
Paul.
"Whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things."