10 perfections?

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10 perfections?

Post by Strive4Karuna » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:40 pm

I have read that the Buddha needed to complete the 10 paramis before he could be born into his last life as a Buddha.

I am remeber recalling the Buddha saying every arahant is different has his own dispositions, different personalitys etc. Some prefer to teach others prefer to stay aloof and keep to themselves. Some with greater psychic powers etc.

My question is, do all arahants complete the 10 paramis to the same degree? Would some arahants have more metta, karuna then others? Would all arahants have the same level of equanimity (upekkha) if they were to become arahants?

Would one who had the resolve to completely perfect the 4 brahmaviharas without straying from the dhamma in the future be one who is resolved in being born a future Buddha?

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Re: 10 perfections?

Post by rolling_boulder » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:57 pm

In orthodox Theravada, AFAIK only the Buddha is fully complete in the Paramis.

You don't actually find the 10 Paramis listed as such in the Pali Canon, however. I don't know what the origin of the idea is.
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Re: 10 perfections?

Post by bodom » Sat Dec 16, 2017 9:43 pm

rolling_boulder wrote:
Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:57 pm
In orthodox Theravada, AFAIK only the Buddha is fully complete in the Paramis.

You don't actually find the 10 Paramis listed as such in the Pali Canon, however. I don't know what the origin of the idea is.
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They are found in the Buddhavamsa the fourteenth book in the Khuddaka Nikaya so technically found in the pali Canon though some argue it is a much later edition to the Canon.

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Re: 10 perfections?

Post by DNS » Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:00 pm

I think I read somewhere (maybe Buddhavamsa or a commentary) that in a distant past time both Gotama and Metteyya were contemporaries and Gotama was getting well established in all paramitas, but especially wisdom while Metteyya was most developed in metta and karuna, which is why Gotama became a samma-sam-buddha sooner.

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Re: 10 perfections?

Post by rolling_boulder » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:01 pm

bodom wrote:
Sat Dec 16, 2017 9:43 pm
They are found in the Buddhavamsa the fourteenth book in the Khuddaka Nikaya...
Oh, cool, thank you.
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Re: 10 perfections?

Post by JohnK » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:57 pm

I just read something I did not know about the paramis.
The word "param" refers to the other shore, so it seems the paramis help carry you to that other shore.
This may not be exactly right, so Pali folks please chime in to clarify or correct.
Edit:
Here it is:
The perfections also provide one of the few reliable ways of measuring the
accomplishments of one’s life. “Accomplishments” in the realm of work and
relationships have a way of turning into dust, but perfections of the character,
once developed, are dependable and lasting, carrying one over and beyond the
vicissitudes of daily living. Thus they deserve to take high priority in the way we
plan our lives. These two facts are reflected in the two etymologies offered for
the word perfection (pāramī): They carry one across to the further shore (paraṁ);
and they are of foremost (parama) importance in formulating the purpose of one’s life.
From Thanissaro Bhikkhu:
https://www.dhammatalks.org/Archive/Wri ... 131122.pdf
"...the practice is essentially a practice, and not a theory to be idly discussed...right view leaves unanswered many questions about the cosmos and the self, and directs your attention to what needs to be done to escape from the ravages of suffering." Thanissaro Bhikkhu, On The Path.

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Re: 10 perfections?

Post by Dhammanando » Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:20 am

JohnK wrote:
Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:57 pm
This may not be exactly right, so Pali folks please chime in to clarify or correct.
This is how the commentator Dhammapāla defined it:
In what sense are they called “pāramīs”? The bodhisattas, the great beings, are supreme (parama), since they are the highest of beings by reason of their distinguished qualities such as giving, virtue, etc. The pāramīs—the activities of giving, etc.—are their character or their conduct.

Alternatively: he excels, thus he is supreme (paratī ti paramo). The bodhisatta is the fulfiller and guardian of the noble qualities such as giving, etc.; that which belongs to the supreme—the character or conduct of the one who is supreme (i.e., of the bodhisatta)—is a pāramī, i.e., the activities of giving, etc.
The paraṃ/further shore etymology is usually associated with the Mahayana's Prajñāpāramita sūtras. I don't think it occurs in any Pali sources earlier than the mediaeval sub-commentaries.

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Re: 10 perfections?

Post by JohnK » Tue Dec 19, 2017 6:19 pm

Dhammanando wrote:
Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:20 am
...The paraṃ/further shore etymology is usually associated with the Mahayana's Prajñāpāramita sūtras. I don't think it occurs in any Pali sources earlier than the mediaeval sub-commentaries.
Thank you. :anjali:
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