Yogic practice in Sutta-Nipata

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Re: Yogic practice in Sutta-Nipata

Post by DooDoot » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:34 am

khemindas wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2017 4:51 am
But in next translation it doesn't looks like metaphore:
"Pressing tongue against palate, restrain your stomach."
https://accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/kn ... .than.html
It is the metaphor.
khemindas wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2017 4:51 am
Also what I've heard from people who combining Quigong,Daoist Yoga, Raja Yoga, Hatha Yoga and other similar practices, that while they practice those practices together with Satipatthana and Anapanasati, the progress is going quite faster.
This sounds impossible because the Lord Buddha declared Satipatthana and Anapanasati are the direct path. Since many listeners in the suttas attained stream-entry from merely listening, how can doing physical exercises that distort, block & suppress the flow of prana & mental energy be faster? If yoga was faster, all of the sexy female yoga teachers in the West would be arahants.
khemindas wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2017 4:51 am
I don't mention here Vajrayana practices, because they are quite different from Quigong and Yoga, because Quigong and Yoga both have as aim fast jhanic absorption, while Hindu and Vajrayana tantra not.
The Pali suttas teach the method to reach jhana is by letting go (vossagga). Any imaginary "jhana" not accompanied by letting-go is obviously not Noble Path Jhana in Buddhism but appears to be another ideology. In Buddhism, Noble Jhana is supported by the seven other factors of the Noble Path. The suttas teach a Noble Path, in which Right View comes 1st or leads.
And what is the faculty of concentration? There is the case where a monk, a disciple of the noble ones, making it his object to let go (vossagga), attains concentration, attains singleness of mind. Quite withdrawn from sensuality, withdrawn from unskillful mental qualities, he enters & remains in the first jhana:

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html
The Blessed One said: "Now what, monks, is noble right concentration with its supports & requisite conditions? Any singleness of mind equipped with these seven factors — right view, right resolve, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, & right mindfulness — is called noble right concentration with its supports & requisite conditions.... Of those, right view is the forerunner.

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html
This article might be helpful: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/08/magaz ... -body.html

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Re: Yogic practice in Sutta-Nipata

Post by Saengnapha » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:41 am

DooDoot wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:34 am
khemindas wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2017 4:51 am
But in next translation it doesn't looks like metaphore:
"Pressing tongue against palate, restrain your stomach."
https://accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/kn ... .than.html
It is the metaphor.
khemindas wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2017 4:51 am
Also what I've heard from people who combining Quigong,Daoist Yoga, Raja Yoga, Hatha Yoga and other similar practices, that while they practice those practices together with Satipatthana and Anapanasati, the progress is going quite faster.
This sounds impossible because the Lord Buddha declared Satipatthana and Anapanasati are the direct path. Since many listeners in the suttas attained stream-entry from merely listening, how can doing physical exercises that distort, block & suppress the flow of prana & mental energy be faster? If yoga was faster, all of the sexy female yoga teachers in the West would be arahants.
khemindas wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2017 4:51 am
I don't mention here Vajrayana practices, because they are quite different from Quigong and Yoga, because Quigong and Yoga both have as aim fast jhanic absorption, while Hindu and Vajrayana tantra not.
The Pali suttas teach the method to reach jhana is by letting go (vossagga). Any imaginary "jhana" not accompanied by letting-go is obviously not Noble Path Jhana in Buddhism but appears to be another ideology. In Buddhism, Noble Jhana is supported by the seven other factors of the Noble Path. The suttas teach a Noble Path, in which Right View comes 1st or leads.
And what is the faculty of concentration? There is the case where a monk, a disciple of the noble ones, making it his object to let go (vossagga), attains concentration, attains singleness of mind. Quite withdrawn from sensuality, withdrawn from unskillful mental qualities, he enters & remains in the first jhana:

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html
The Blessed One said: "Now what, monks, is noble right concentration with its supports & requisite conditions? Any singleness of mind equipped with these seven factors — right view, right resolve, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, & right mindfulness — is called noble right concentration with its supports & requisite conditions.... Of those, right view is the forerunner.

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html
This article might be helpful: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/08/magaz ... -body.html
What you are talking about has nothing to do with keeping the tongue on the palate and breathing in to the dantian.
Practitioners who mix and match don't understand this process, but what to do?

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