I'm trying to attain some inner peace here

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Re: I'm trying to attain some inner peace here

Post by pegembara » Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:52 am

Try something less difficult like listening to sounds of nature, music or whatever. Anything that temporarily takes one out of one's thoughts. Do that until the mind gets used to the relaxed state just like the young Buddha used to do under a tree while his father was working in the field.
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Re: I'm trying to attain some inner peace here

Post by L.N. » Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:15 am

BlueLotus wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:00 am
Trying to meditate. The mind simply does not stay on the breath for a simple 5 seconds. I have been doing this for months. What is wrong with me?
Nothing.
BlueLotus wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:00 am
... Is this just me or is there anyone else who finds it practically impossible to quieten the mind? I cannot leave the life I live now. I have dependents. I can't ditch them and go to a monastery to meditate all day.

Any tips that can help me? Yes, I have tried counting. I have tried metta. I have tried walking. I have tried focusing on discursive thoughts. I have tried coffee. Nothing works.
This sounds just about right. You are doing it exactly right, as far as I can tell from this post.

This is the work. This is the nature of the mind and body, constantly arising and fading phenomena. Like anything else, concentration takes practice and time. What you describe sounds to me like a perfectly good place to start, because you have become very sensitive to what is happening in your mind/body. Stay there. Bring your attention back to your meditation object again. And again. And again. Every time attention strays, bring it back again. Nothing wrong with this, or with you.

Others may have different valid points of view.
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Re: I'm trying to attain some inner peace here

Post by justindesilva » Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:52 am

justindesilva wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:25 pm
BlueLotus wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:00 am
Trying to meditate. The mind simply does not stay on the breath for a simple 5 seconds. I have been doing this for months. What is wrong with me?

Vipassana has to be done after achieving some level of samadhi, right? I guess they recommend at least the first jhana before u do vipassana. I am nowhere near that.

Is this just me or is there anyone else who finds it practically impossible to quieten the mind? I cannot leave the life I live now. I have dependents. I can't ditch them and go to a monastery to meditate all day.

Any tips that can help me? Yes, I have tried counting. I have tried metta. I have tried walking. I have tried focusing on discursive thoughts. I have tried coffee. Nothing works.
Having gone through the answers of this forum , it is my feeling that your question needs personal guidance with alternate guidance in your presence. Good luck.
Try some experienced teacher.
Further thinking about this , may I suggest that mind and thoughts are two different subjects.
It is good to note that a person such as Rabindranath Tagore a maestro in all arts in India , when in need of peace of mind watched the leaves floating on water and the birds flying in the air etc . It was watching nature and its beauty. He composed music after such intervals of watching nature.
One can try such natural effects followed by Rabindranath Tagore and even study their life style to learn.

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Re: I'm trying to attain some inner peace here

Post by m0rl0ck » Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:59 pm

BlueLotus wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:00 am
Trying to meditate. The mind simply does not stay on the breath for a simple 5 seconds. I have been doing this for months. What is wrong with me?

Vipassana has to be done after achieving some level of samadhi, right? I guess they recommend at least the first jhana before u do vipassana. I am nowhere near that.

Is this just me or is there anyone else who finds it practically impossible to quieten the mind? I cannot leave the life I live now. I have dependents. I can't ditch them and go to a monastery to meditate all day.

Any tips that can help me? Yes, I have tried counting. I have tried metta. I have tried walking. I have tried focusing on discursive thoughts. I have tried coffee. Nothing works.
Dont give up. Just accept the current condition of your mind and body the way it is and continue from there.
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Re: I'm trying to attain some inner peace here

Post by Pseudobabble » Wed Nov 15, 2017 1:27 pm

BlueLotus wrote:
Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:00 am
Trying to meditate. The mind simply does not stay on the breath for a simple 5 seconds. I have been doing this for months. What is wrong with me?

Vipassana has to be done after achieving some level of samadhi, right? I guess they recommend at least the first jhana before u do vipassana. I am nowhere near that.

Is this just me or is there anyone else who finds it practically impossible to quieten the mind? I cannot leave the life I live now. I have dependents. I can't ditch them and go to a monastery to meditate all day.

Any tips that can help me? Yes, I have tried counting. I have tried metta. I have tried walking. I have tried focusing on discursive thoughts. I have tried coffee. Nothing works.

What exactly are you doing when you meditate? Describe your experience and actions.
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Re: I'm trying to attain some inner peace here

Post by Pondera » Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:04 am

Try this. There's a location right behind your breathing diaphragm where tension builds up. Learn to let go of that tension.

If you accomplish this the ligaments surrounding your sacral chakra will loosen up. When that happens, you will be able to ignore discursive "monkey-mind" thoughts.

But if you want to crush them altogether do the following. Note the area in the mind that loosens up when the sacral ligaments loosen up. Then note the location in the heart where "soma" begins to flow.

Concentrate on that exact area of the heart and you will be able to stop discursive thoughts from happening before they even arise.

... then enjoy watching the breath :)
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Re: I'm trying to attain some inner peace here

Post by Spiny Norman » Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:33 pm

BlueLotus wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:51 am
I've been doing that for months. One might think I would have improved a tad bit by now but nooooo. Hence the frustration. :(
You might need to adjust your method. Where are you currently noticing the breath? Are your eyes open or shut?

You could also consider trying a different meditation object. I sometimes do kasina practice, using a blue disc.

Do you have access to a meditation teacher, or to other meditators?
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