But does a living being has to have nervous system?justindesilva wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2017 2:36 pmHi Chownahchownah wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:43 amIf you have a sutta reference to beings with a nervous system I would be ever so glad to know it so I could go and take a look.justindesilva wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:35 am
From my references from texts Lord Buddha mentions sbout masterbation ( sukkhavissati ) in vinayapitaka (vin111.109) that it is not a mental theurspitic action .
Then vin 111.111 is said to have laid down as an offence for Buddhist monks and nuns.
The 1st precept only mentions about harming or killing sentient beings or beings with a nervous system. As the sperm is not a sentient being destroying of sperms can not be considered against the 1st precept.
chownah
This explanation of beings with nervous system was heard by me at a Buddhist sermon by a bikku with a BSc in Microbiology " Pitiduwe Siridamma" about 10 years ago, but well remembered by me. However I shall try to find a relevant sutta from a bikku I am acquainted with.
It will be good for me too. Thank you.
Is masturbation the same thing as killing?
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D1W1, I appreciate the depth of your compassion and concern.
I just finished the collection of Maha Boowa talks called Things as They Are; the last chapter is called Every Grain of Sand.
The very last paragraph is beautiful:
I just finished the collection of Maha Boowa talks called Things as They Are; the last chapter is called Every Grain of Sand.
The very last paragraph is beautiful:
https://www.dhammatalks.org/Archive/Wri ... n0017.htmlThose who have reached full release from conventional realities of every sort, you know, don’t assume themselves to be more special or worse than anyone else. For this reason, they don’t demean even the tiniest of creatures. They regard them all as friends in suffering, birth, ageing, illness, and death, because the Dhamma is something tender and gentle. Any mind in which it is found is completely gentle and can sympathize with every grain of sand, with living beings of every sort. There’s nothing rigid or unyielding about it. Only the defilements are rigid and unyielding. Proud. Conceited. Haughty and vain. Once there’s Dhamma, there are none of these things. There’s only the unvarying gentleness and tenderness of mercy and benevolence for the world at all times. [emphasis added]
Those who grasp at perceptions & views wander the internet creating friction. [based on Sn4:9,v.847]
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The Chinese for over three thousand years realized that man can have several orgasms in a row without ejaculating and thereby increase longevity not feel the fatigue that follows the ejaculation.
The New York Times published a few years ago, the result of scientific research on the damage caused by the production of sperm in the body of man, concluding that "generate sperm is much more difficult than scientists thought. This requires a shift of resources that can harm the long-term men's health ''. And it makes sense, because throughout his life a man ejaculates on average five thousand times. Whereas each ejaculation contains from 50 to 250 million sperm, he ejaculates about a trillion unnecessary sperm! However, in reality, you need only ejaculate when you wanted to have a child.
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The New York Times published a few years ago, the result of scientific research on the damage caused by the production of sperm in the body of man, concluding that "generate sperm is much more difficult than scientists thought. This requires a shift of resources that can harm the long-term men's health ''. And it makes sense, because throughout his life a man ejaculates on average five thousand times. Whereas each ejaculation contains from 50 to 250 million sperm, he ejaculates about a trillion unnecessary sperm! However, in reality, you need only ejaculate when you wanted to have a child.
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I think he meant having consciousness.chownah wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:43 amIf you have a sutta reference to beings with a nervous system I would be ever so glad to know it so I could go and take a look.justindesilva wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:35 amFrom my references from texts Lord Buddha mentions sbout masterbation ( sukkhavissati ) in vinayapitaka (vin111.109) that it is not a mental theurspitic action .
Then vin 111.111 is said to have laid down as an offence for Buddhist monks and nuns.
The 1st precept only mentions about harming or killing sentient beings or beings with a nervous system. As the sperm is not a sentient being destroying of sperms can not be considered against the 1st precept.
chownah
Can a being higher than human like a deva be killed?
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At the same time the strong attachment to the fantasies formed during such heightened pleasure will come back and haunt the person if he is not mindful of them.Lucas Oliveira wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2017 5:26 pm The Chinese for over three thousand years realized that man can have several orgasms in a row without ejaculating and thereby increase longevity not feel the fatigue that follows the ejaculation.
The New York Times published a few years ago, the result of scientific research on the damage caused by the production of sperm in the body of man, concluding that "generate sperm is much more difficult than scientists thought. This requires a shift of resources that can harm the long-term men's health ''. And it makes sense, because throughout his life a man ejaculates on average five thousand times. Whereas each ejaculation contains from 50 to 250 million sperm, he ejaculates about a trillion unnecessary sperm! However, in reality, you need only ejaculate when you wanted to have a child.
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Depends on how u define a nervous system. Other beings will have a "nervous" system different from us. But they will have a impermanent but functioning system.D1W1 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:02 pmBut does a living being has to have nervous system?justindesilva wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2017 2:36 pmHi Chownah
This explanation of beings with nervous system was heard by me at a Buddhist sermon by a bikku with a BSc in Microbiology " Pitiduwe Siridamma" about 10 years ago, but well remembered by me. However I shall try to find a relevant sutta from a bikku I am acquainted with.
It will be good for me too. Thank you.
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it is trueform wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:28 pmAt the same time the strong attachment to the fantasies formed during such heightened pleasure will come back and haunt the person if he is not mindful of them.Lucas Oliveira wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2017 5:26 pm The Chinese for over three thousand years realized that man can have several orgasms in a row without ejaculating and thereby increase longevity not feel the fatigue that follows the ejaculation.
The New York Times published a few years ago, the result of scientific research on the damage caused by the production of sperm in the body of man, concluding that "generate sperm is much more difficult than scientists thought. This requires a shift of resources that can harm the long-term men's health ''. And it makes sense, because throughout his life a man ejaculates on average five thousand times. Whereas each ejaculation contains from 50 to 250 million sperm, he ejaculates about a trillion unnecessary sperm! However, in reality, you need only ejaculate when you wanted to have a child.
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Verse 186. Sensual Pleasures Never Satiated
Not by rain of golden coins
is found desires’ satiety,
desires are dukkha, of little joy,
thus a wise one understands.
Explanation: Insatiable are sensual desires. Sensual desires will not be satisfied even with a shower of gold. The wise knows that sensual pleasure bring but little satisfaction and much pain.
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D1W1 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2017 3:59 pm Thanks guys for the prompt reply, sorry for the late reply.
MN38....the same one which 2600hz brought.....there is another one which talks more explicitly about the descent into the womb but I can't remember....maybe you could search dhammawheel for it as I know it was referenced in another thread. If I remember which thread it was in I'll find it and bring it here.
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The rapture factor in jhana can be considered as an orgasm.
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chownah wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2017 2:35 amI have located a past post on damma wheel which may be relevant : seeD1W1 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 10, 2017 3:59 pm Thanks guys for the prompt reply, sorry for the late reply.
MN38....the same one which 2600hz brought.....there is another one which talks more explicitly about the descent into the womb but I can't remember....maybe you could search dhammawheel for it as I know it was referenced in another thread. If I remember which thread it was in I'll find it and bring it here.
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The dhammawheel; "The mechanism of gandabba" posted in Jan 2009.
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This appears to be an issue of great interest to Members. Following is a link to a 27-page discussion on the topic: viewtopic.php?f=37&t=6847
Probably not necessary to worry too much about tossing off a batch of orphans in the context of the first training rule to refrain from taking life. Rather, buttering the corn seems more likely to relate to the third training rule to abstain from sexual misconduct.Those who have reached full release ... There’s nothing rigid or unyielding about it. https://www.dhammatalks.org/Archive/Wri ... n0017.html
Sire patitthitā Buddhā
Dhammo ca tava locane
Sangho patitthitō tuiham
uresabba gunākaro
愿众佛坐在我的头顶, 佛法在我的眼中, 僧伽,功德的根源, 端坐在我的肩上。
Dhammo ca tava locane
Sangho patitthitō tuiham
uresabba gunākaro
愿众佛坐在我的头顶, 佛法在我的眼中, 僧伽,功德的根源, 端坐在我的肩上。
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So it's living just like our cells but not a being. What is the requirement of a "being", by existing and moving alone surely is not enough, what do you think?
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Hello:
SN (23.2)
So when you have the 5 aggregates, and have craving and clinging for them, you are officially a living being.I have heard that on one occasion the Blessed One was staying near Savatthi at Jeta's Grove, Anathapindika's monastery. Then Ven. Radha went to the Blessed One and, on arrival, having bowed down to him sat to one side. As he was sitting there he said to the Blessed One: "'A being,' lord. 'A being,' it's said. To what extent is one said to be 'a being'?"
"Any desire, passion, delight, or craving for body,feeling, perception, formations,consciousness, Radha: when one is caught up[1] there, tied up[2] there, one is said to be 'a being.'[3]
Regards.
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Right. When one attacks the one-eyed purple-headed warrior, it's the craving and clinging which may be problematic, hopefully not the killing.
Sire patitthitā Buddhā
Dhammo ca tava locane
Sangho patitthitō tuiham
uresabba gunākaro
愿众佛坐在我的头顶, 佛法在我的眼中, 僧伽,功德的根源, 端坐在我的肩上。
Dhammo ca tava locane
Sangho patitthitō tuiham
uresabba gunākaro
愿众佛坐在我的头顶, 佛法在我的眼中, 僧伽,功德的根源, 端坐在我的肩上。
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Also in the new thread list is a thread asking about how to meet Buddhist singles.
I think many people would be better off being concerned ( or generating ) small questions and using the time to just watch their breathing or doing metta for that spare 5-10 min they have. They will end up feeling good, conditioning their mind well, and solving things automagically.
Whatever a bhikkhu frequently thinks and ponders upon, that will become the inclination of his mind. - MN 19