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Looking for Awesome Sutta

Post by polarbear101 » Fri Oct 27, 2017 6:19 am

There is a sutta where someone goes to the Buddha and asks why a bunch of his followers seem to disagree about final knowledge. The questioner goes to one person who says he attained final knowledge by giving up clinging to the elements, and then to another who says he gave up clinging to the sense spheres, and so on ( I think the 4 nutriments might be another one). Then the Buddha says that they have all proclaimed final knowledge in line with their meditation subject, that is why they explain final knowledge in their own way.

It is an awesome sutta, help me find it please!

:anjali:
"I don't envision a single thing that, when developed & cultivated, leads to such great benefit as the mind. The mind, when developed & cultivated, leads to great benefit."

"I don't envision a single thing that, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about such suffering & stress as the mind. The mind, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about suffering & stress."

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Re: Looking for Awesome Sutta

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Re: Looking for Awesome Sutta

Post by polarbear101 » Fri Oct 27, 2017 6:30 am

That's awfully close to what I was thinking, and I haven't read the sutta in years, so it seems exceedingly probable. So thanks! But I'm still holding out slightly in case there is a similar one but relating to Arahants.


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"I don't envision a single thing that, when developed & cultivated, leads to such great benefit as the mind. The mind, when developed & cultivated, leads to great benefit."

"I don't envision a single thing that, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about such suffering & stress as the mind. The mind, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about suffering & stress."

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Re: Looking for Awesome Sutta

Post by aflatun » Fri Oct 27, 2017 1:37 pm

polarbear101 wrote:
Fri Oct 27, 2017 6:30 am
That's awfully close to what I was thinking, and I haven't read the sutta in years, so it seems exceedingly probable. So thanks! But I'm still holding out slightly in case there is a similar one but relating to Arahants.


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Hi polarbear

I believe I remember this sutta as well, from a talk Thanissaro gave. Like you said, the questioner went to various monks asking about final release, after which they recommend different practices like contemplating aggregates, sense bases, depending origination, etc. And then he finally asks the Buddha why the different answers, right? I can't seem to find it right now though!
Sam Vara wrote:
Fri Oct 27, 2017 6:22 am
Is it the Kimsuka Sutta?

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html
That's a great one Sam, but its not the one I'm remembering...I think :coffee:
"People often get too quick to say 'there's no self. There's no self...no self...no self.' There is self, there is focal point, its not yours. That's what not self is."

Ninoslav Ñāṇamoli
Senses and the Thought-1, 42:53

"Those who create constructs about the Buddha,
Who is beyond construction and without exhaustion,
Are thereby damaged by their constructs;
They fail to see the Thus-Gone.

That which is the nature of the Thus-Gone
Is also the nature of this world.
There is no nature of the Thus-Gone.
There is no nature of the world."

Nagarjuna
MMK XXII.15-16

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Re: Looking for Awesome Sutta

Post by aflatun » Mon Oct 30, 2017 12:05 am

aflatun wrote:
Fri Oct 27, 2017 1:37 pm
polarbear101 wrote:
Fri Oct 27, 2017 6:30 am
That's awfully close to what I was thinking, and I haven't read the sutta in years, so it seems exceedingly probable. So thanks! But I'm still holding out slightly in case there is a similar one but relating to Arahants.


:heart:
Hi polarbear

I believe I remember this sutta as well, from a talk Thanissaro gave. Like you said, the questioner went to various monks asking about final release, after which they recommend different practices like contemplating aggregates, sense bases, depending origination, etc. And then he finally asks the Buddha why the different answers, right? I can't seem to find it right now though!
Sam Vara wrote:
Fri Oct 27, 2017 6:22 am
Is it the Kimsuka Sutta?

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html
That's a great one Sam, but its not the one I'm remembering...I think :coffee:
I changed my mind, this is the one. Thanks dudes. This is what happens when I post at 6:37 am :toilet:
"People often get too quick to say 'there's no self. There's no self...no self...no self.' There is self, there is focal point, its not yours. That's what not self is."

Ninoslav Ñāṇamoli
Senses and the Thought-1, 42:53

"Those who create constructs about the Buddha,
Who is beyond construction and without exhaustion,
Are thereby damaged by their constructs;
They fail to see the Thus-Gone.

That which is the nature of the Thus-Gone
Is also the nature of this world.
There is no nature of the Thus-Gone.
There is no nature of the world."

Nagarjuna
MMK XXII.15-16

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