What is the difference between Jhana and Samadhi?

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What is the difference between Jhana and Samadhi?

Post by SarathW » Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:13 am

In Sutta pitaka we find two Suttas namely Jhana sutta and Samadhi sutta.
What is the difference?

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Re: What is the difference between Jhana and Samadhi?

Post by nibbedhika » Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:46 am

Samadhi is one of the seven factors of enlightenment and means deep or absorbed meditation. Its characteristic is one-pointedness (ekkagata) or the abscence of the five hindrances. It is possible to talk of three levels of samadhi.

Samadhi can be methodically achieved using any of the 40 subjects of meditation. Fixing the mind on any stable concept (as opposed to transient real sensations) is the only way to go up to complete (appana) samadhi. For those who are not working all the way up to appana samadhi (e.g. vipassana or Mahayana meditation) the fading away of the five hindrances in any condition leads from khanika (momentary) to upacara (neighbourhood) samadhi.

Jhana is a spontaneously arising transcendental state, in the sense that it is not methodically built up and is different from normal cognitive and emotional states. Its main characteristic is the arising of the five jhana factors including a distinctive intense pleasure. There are several jhanas, each with its own characteristics.

The connection between samadhi and jhana is that samadhi leads to jhana. Actually, jhana arises in two ways - complete (appana) samadhi leads to samatha jhana and the attainment of insight knowledge leads to vipassana jhana.

This is a slightly controversial topic, and this is what I think is the classical interpretation - let me know if I am wrong. Different authors venture different interpretations of the terms and also different practical implementations. You should refer to the usage of whatever book or teacher you are working with, for the sake of consistency. Or read more on the topic, e.g. The Jhanas in Theravada Buddhist Meditation by Henepola Gunaratana, or Leigh Brasington's extensive writing on the more controversial points.

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Re: What is the difference between Jhana and Samadhi?

Post by Zom » Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:40 pm

In Sutta pitaka we find two Suttas namely Jhana sutta and Samadhi sutta.
What is the difference?
Easy. Jhana is a particular state of samadhi.

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Re: What is the difference between Jhana and Samadhi?

Post by SarathW » Wed Oct 04, 2017 9:04 pm

Similar to Zom, an interesting idea came from the similar post in stack exchange.
Accordingly, Jhana is like the measuring unit and the Samadhi is the object subject to measurement.
eg: Say, first Jahana means one measure of Samadhi.

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Re: What is the difference between Jhana and Samadhi?

Post by SarathW » Thu Oct 05, 2017 12:34 am

Zom wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:40 pm
In Sutta pitaka we find two Suttas namely Jhana sutta and Samadhi sutta.
What is the difference?
Easy. Jhana is a particular state of samadhi.
It appears Jhana is a lower level of Samadhi.


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Re: What is the difference between Jhana and Samadhi?

Post by Zom » Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:26 am

It appears Jhana is a lower level of Samadhi.
I'd say otherwise - it is quite powerful level of samadhi. Especially 4th one, which is obviously enough for total eradication of any kind of defilement.

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Re: What is the difference between Jhana and Samadhi?

Post by Saengnapha » Thu Oct 05, 2017 4:27 am

Zom wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:26 am
It appears Jhana is a lower level of Samadhi.
I'd say otherwise - it is quite powerful level of samadhi. Especially 4th one, which is obviously enough for total eradication of any kind of defilement.
Both are impermanent.

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Re: What is the difference between Jhana and Samadhi?

Post by Spiny Norman » Thu Oct 05, 2017 8:16 am

SarathW wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:13 am
In Sutta pitaka we find two Suttas namely Jhana sutta and Samadhi sutta.
What is the difference?

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
Samadhi is described in a variety of ways in the suttas: http://www.accesstoinsight.org/search_r ... ght.org%2F
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Re: What is the difference between Jhana and Samadhi?

Post by pyluyten » Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:00 pm

You are probably pointing to a pretty interesting question, where we lack of knowledge to answer properly.

Obviously we can take suttas or comments for granted ; and say the are 32 categories of samadhi & 93 types of jhanas.
But we could as well

1) ask ourselves, *why* are 2 terms used. "Jhana" is a particular type of "Samadhi" sounds fair.
But is it that simple?

2) and what is their history. I have read Buddhism did create one term, not the other one,
and you will sure find many alternatives opinions.

I am sorry not to be able to answer properly, because i am certain one can find interesting - and practical -
stuff thanks to your question

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Re: What is the difference between Jhana and Samadhi?

Post by davidbrainerd » Thu Oct 05, 2017 7:14 pm

SarathW wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:13 am
In Sutta pitaka we find two Suttas namely Jhana sutta and Samadhi sutta.
What is the difference?

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
The first link is broken. Ah, just have to remove the 5 at the end.

Fixed - Mike

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Re: What is the difference between Jhana and Samadhi?

Post by _anicca_ » Mon Oct 09, 2017 10:51 am

Samadhi accompanied by equanimity is the 4th Jana.
"A virtuous monk, Kotthita my friend, should attend in an appropriate way to the five clinging-aggregates as inconstant, stressful, a disease, a cancer, an arrow, painful, an affliction, alien, a dissolution, an emptiness, not-self."

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Re: What is the difference between Jhana and Samadhi?

Post by 2600htz » Wed Oct 11, 2017 6:18 pm

Hello:

I think its pretty clear that Samadhi is the actual game you are playing, while a Jhana is a particular level/stage of that very same game.
The real debate is what is actually the game you should be playing or the quality you should be developing, since i don`t really agree with the most traditional definition of Samadhi.

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Re: What is the difference between Jhana and Samadhi?

Post by xofz » Wed Oct 11, 2017 6:33 pm

Samadhi is the continual arising of single-pointed concentration.

Jhana's are pleasurable states that can distract the mind and lead one out of samadhi.

Do not attach to any of the jhanas; ultimately, they are transient. Stick to maintaining samadhi.

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Re: What is the difference between Jhana and Samadhi?

Post by Unexist » Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:31 am

Samadhi is you become a river, without I me mine and jhana is the four streams of actual seeing or vision to four Noble truth. Find fourth by forwarding from three and merge in it.

It's the fourth is called as sea where all river merges. It's Dukkha nirodh gamini patipada.

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Re: What is the difference between Jhana and Samadhi?

Post by Unexist » Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:41 am

Beware to call fourth the sea or nirodhgaminipatipada in terms of eternal or imparmanent, with body or bodiless, empty or full, near or far, I or you, being or non-being, seen, seer, or object of senses, doer or enjoyer, free or bound.

It's not worthy to call it by any name. It's unknown.

Upanishad can only says like "not this not this".

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Re: What is the difference between Jhana and Samadhi?

Post by Unexist » Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:51 am

Actually many stop there in fourth. But the actual path starts with fourth truth. It's Eightfold path of actual seeing, where on can't say "I am seeing it".

To walk on the path for complete deliverence, one should look towards it like a bird watched his beloved moon. It's called samma or United action.

Be live your life with virtue and compassion, by onyly seeing, seeing and seeing or remembrance of seeing. It's called Eightfold path by Buddha and thou are that by Upanishad to follow the thought of you are that in your entire life with purity and attain peace.

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Re: What is the difference between Jhana and Samadhi?

Post by Saengnapha » Sat Oct 28, 2017 5:48 am

Unexist wrote:
Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:51 am
Actually many stop there in fourth. But the actual path starts with fourth truth. It's Eightfold path of actual seeing, where on can't say "I am seeing it".

To walk on the path for complete deliverence, one should look towards it like a bird watched his beloved moon. It's called samma or United action.

Be live your life with virtue and compassion, by onyly seeing, seeing and seeing or remembrance of seeing. It's called Eightfold path by Buddha and thou are that by Upanishad to follow the thought of you are that in your entire life with purity and attain peace.
The thread is about the difference between jhana and samadhi. Your posts seem extraneous to the subject of the thread. I think the question has already been answered.

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Re: What is the difference between Jhana and Samadhi?

Post by Unexist » Sat Oct 28, 2017 6:20 am

"I think the question has already been answered." As said as thus.

If one think, therefore one is not free. Where is I come from?

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Re: What is the difference between Jhana and Samadhi?

Post by Unexist » Sat Oct 28, 2017 6:22 am

J krishnamurti rightly pointed out that, whether you think you see or really you see it.

This statement is alarming wisdom of it's own.

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