Let's See: How It Hard To Let People Get In "Self" Word Of Diṭṭhi And Māna

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Let's See: How It Hard To Let People Get In "Self" Word Of Diṭṭhi And Māna

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3 lokiya elementary particles & relationship (4 paramattha & paṭiccasamuppāda, and paṭṭhāna)
  • is thought (manodvāra)
    • by sammādiṭṭhi ,that know right relation
      • know truth idea (4 ariyasacca, 4 noble truths)
      • know right knowledge about relationships of elementary particles (dhammaṭṭhitiñāṇa, paccayapariggahañāṇa)
      • must arise with kusala, wholesome-minds
        • so kusala is the first in ovādapāṭimokkha
      • make truth name, make truth word
      • Example: "self" idea of vipassana-meditators and ariya
        • elementary particles's arising and banishing, that are called "self", can happen just up on many relationships of causes's and effects's arising and banishing
          • each elementary particle is causes of it's effects.
          • each elementary particle is effects of it's causes.
          • so, self (attā) is imagine (upādāyapaññatti), or words (nāmapaññatti) of elementary particles (aggregates 5)
          • nothing out of elementary particles's relationship
            • but
              • diṭṭhi faking puthujana
              • taṇhā attached everything of puthujana
              • avijjā blinding puthujana
      • see abhidhamma, especially paṭṭhāna
        • name of paṭṭhāna-book is used as apart of mahāsatipaṭṭhānasutta, because of paṭṭhāna-book
          • samudayavayadhammānupassī
          • mahāsatipaṭṭhānasutta is sutta, that taught about vipassana in causes of paṭṭhāna
      • know perfect answer of 6 questions
        • 3 payojana: How to happy now, this life? How to happy in the future, next life? How to nibbana?
        • 3 payojana: How to make self happy? How to make the other happy? How to make people, included self, happy?
    • by micchādiṭṭhi
      • know chimerical idea
      • know wrong knowledge about relationship of elementary particles
        • yathābhuccagahaṇābhāvena micchā passatīti micchādiṭṭhiฯ sā ‘‘natthi dinna’’ntiādinā nayena viparītadassanalakkhaṇāฯ samphappalāpo viya appasāvajjā mahāsāvajjā caฯ apica aniyatā appasāvajjā, niyatā mahāsāvajjāฯ tassā dve sambhārā vatthuno ca gahitākāraviparītatā, yathā ca taṃ gaṇhāti, tathābhāvena tassūpaṭṭhānantiฯ
      • must arise with lobha (taṇhā, diṭṭhupādāna), that always arise with akusala (unwholesome minds)
      • make fake name, make fake word
      • Example: "self" idea, and word of general people (puthujana), that live out of buddhism
        • is defined by relationship of elementary particles
          • that have no relationship
            • micchādiṭṭhi, that must give only hell-born effect (niyatamicchādiṭṭhi)
              • no cause of "self"
              • no effect "self"
              • no both, cause and effect of "self"
            • perfect micchādiṭṭhi of akusalakammapatha
              • 10 micchādiṭṭhi
          • that have wrong relationship (visamahetukadiṭṭhi)
            • imperfect micchādiṭṭhi of akusalakammapatha
            • sīla, samatha-meditation, without vipassana, of "meditater self", for nibbāna
            • "god self", that is despot of general people self
          • that have unlimited relationship, stay forever, no arising, or no banishing
            • "self" will happen forever, in whatever causes (sassatadiṭṭhi)
            • "self" will not happen forever, in whatever causes (ucchedadiṭṭhi)
          • that is despot of relationship, is perfect cause of effects
            • "self", that is despot of effects, is/have/is in/is cover, elementary particles, that are effects (20 sakkāyadiṭṭhi)
      • see 62 diṭṭhi in bhrammajālasutta
    • by māna
      • pay attention at difference of 3 lokiya elementary particle, but don't pay attention at the same tilakkhaṇa
        • paying attention at the same tilakkhaṇa, is paying attention at relationships (causes and effects)
      • must arise with lobha (taṇhā, diṭṭhupādāna), that always arise with akusala (unwholesome minds)
  • is sensed (5 dvāra)
    • up on past kamma
    • can't know relationship
  • mind 121, mind's object 52, matter 28
  • elementary particles are grouped as aggregates 5, sense doors 12, element 18, etc.
    • group is the easier way to see tilakkhaṇa, instead of each elementary particles seeing
    • use in sammasanañāṇa and above

  • If whole 3 lokiya elementary particles will surly perfect finish in the future, it is saupādisesanibbāna.


    If whole 3 lokiya elementary particles are perfect finish, it is anupādisesanibbāna.
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I have not insert too much reference. Because It is not too easy to let people, who have not learned pali and memorized tipitaka, understand whole of the reference.

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Re: Let's See: How It Hard To Let People Get In "Self" Word Of Diṭṭhi And Māna

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Re: Let's See: How It Hard To Let People Get In "Self" Word Of Diṭṭhi And Māna

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rajitha7 wrote:Thank you. It will be easier to read without & and ".

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Thank you, very much. I already modified texts follow your advising.

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Tipitaka memorization is a rule of monks. It isn't just a choice. They must done it.
bahussuto nāma tividho hoti – nissayamuccanako, parisupaṭṭhāpako, bhikkhunovādakoti.
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Re: Let's See: How It Hard To Let People Get In "Self" Word Of Diṭṭhi And Māna

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I am following the sammādiṭṭhi branch.

How does a puthujana follow the sammādiṭṭhi branch and arrive at answering the 3 payojana and 3 payojana answers?

It provides a good overview. Although some detail will be welcome.

How would you connect mahāsatipaṭṭhānasutta with Abhidhamma paṭṭhāna/samudayavayadhammānupassī ? Can you provide references from the Abhidhamma?

Thank you
Unsurpassed is the Lord’s way of teaching the Dhamma concerning one’s proper moral conduct. One should be honest and faithful, without deception, chatter, hinting or belittling, not always ready to add gain to gain, but with the sense-doors guarded, moderate in food, a promoter of peace, observant, active and strenuous in effort, a meditator, mindful, with proper conversation, steady-going, resolute and sensible, not hankering after sense pleasures, but mindful and prudent. This is the unsurpassed teaching concerning a person’s proper ethical conduct. - Sampasādanīya, Dīgha Nikāya 28

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Re: Let's See: How It Hard To Let People Get In "Self" Word Of Diṭṭhi And Māna

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Another question I will come to answer, next time. I have to go to work.
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Paṭṭhāna is relationship (causes and effects) of elementary particles.

Mahāsatipaṭṭhānasutta have summary about causes and effects, in every ending of it's 21 chapters.

Samudayavayadhammānupassī viharati (translation follow sub-commentary: Meditators must continuously think about 5 causes of arising and banishing).

Commentary and sub-commentary comment Samudayavayadhammānupassī as samudayasuttaṃ (SN.Ni.), and udayabbayañāṇaniddesa (paṭisambhidāmagga).

Whole stuffs is about causes and effects.

This summary maybe not seem like commentary's analysis of Paṭṭhāna word in Mahāsatipaṭṭhānasuttavaṇṇanā, but it is more compatibility with tipitaka's and commentary' context.

Only Theravāda's Mahāsatipaṭṭhānasutta have "Samudayavayadhammānupassī" words, because this is the actually vipassanā. People always try to cut it, causes and effects, off, because they can't understand it easy.

But the buddha is the buddha, because he enlighten causes and effects (Paṭṭhāna), that no one can enlighten before him.

Causes and effects make meditator see tilakkha, that the end of paccayapariggahayanakatha of visuddhimagga said.

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"Netti" is pali-cannon, that can taught you to get in tipitaka.

Tipuggalanaya (THE METHOD OF THE TREFOIL) is one of tipitaka, that can let us see about "the relationship, of triads".


You can see the relationship of abhidhamma (especially Paṭṭhāna) and vipassanā in this comment of commentary, In abhidhamma's commentary (atthasālinī) wrote:
tīsupi cetesu tisso sikkhā tīṇi pahānāni catubbidho ca gambhīrabhāvo veditabboฯ tathā hi vinayapiṭake visesena adhisīlasikkhā vuttā, suttantapiṭake adhicittasikkhā, abhidhammapiṭake adhipaññāsikkhā

vinayapiṭake ca vītikkamappahānaṃ , kilesānaṃ vītikkamapaṭipakkhattā sīlassa; suttantapiṭake pariyuṭṭhānappahānaṃ, pariyuṭṭhānapaṭipakkhattā samādhissa; abhidhammapiṭake anusayappahānaṃ, anusayapaṭipakkhattā paññāya

paṭhame ca tadaṅgappahānaṃ kilesānaṃ, itaresu vikkhambhanasamucchedappahānāniฯ paṭhame ca duccaritasaṃkilesassa pahānaṃ, itaresu taṇhādiṭṭhisaṃkilesānaṃ pahānaṃฯ
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Tipitaka memorization is a rule of monks. It isn't just a choice. They must done it.
bahussuto nāma tividho hoti – nissayamuccanako, parisupaṭṭhāpako, bhikkhunovādakoti.
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I am sorry, it is very hard, to understand english. I have to take more time.
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Tipitaka memorization is a rule of monks. It isn't just a choice. They must done it.
bahussuto nāma tividho hoti – nissayamuccanako, parisupaṭṭhāpako, bhikkhunovādakoti.
http://UnmixedTheravada.blogspot.com/20 ... monks.html

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rajitha7 wrote: How does a puthujana follow the sammādiṭṭhi branch and arrive at answering the 3 payojana and 3 payojana answers?
The answer: https://dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f ... 63#p422363
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Tipitaka memorization is a rule of monks. It isn't just a choice. They must done it.
bahussuto nāma tividho hoti – nissayamuccanako, parisupaṭṭhāpako, bhikkhunovādakoti.
http://UnmixedTheravada.blogspot.com/20 ... monks.html

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