Pretty cool little article... I found some things pretty interesting..
http://www.lionsroar.com/what-the-buddha-never-said/
7 things the Buddha never said...
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"whatever one frequently thinks and ponders upon will be the inclination of one's mind"
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Liberation is the inevitable fruit of the path and is bound to blossom forth when there is steady and persistent practice. The only requirements for reaching the final goal are two: to start and to continue. If these requirements are met there is no doubt the goal will be attained. This is the Dhamma, the undeviating law.
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"whatever one frequently thinks and ponders upon will be the inclination of one's mind"
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And there was this - What the Buddha did not teach - Christopher Titmuss
http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=8879
http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=8879
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There is a story that was made up, that the story about the Buddha teaching the Abhidhamma to his mother in Tāvatiṃsa was made up.
In other words, in the opinion of the speaker, the Abhidhamma was not taught by the Buddha. He has no way of knowing this, it is just his own opinion. By the same reasoning we could say that the teacher of gods and men (sattha devāmanussānaṃ) could not have taught the Maṅgala Sutta to a certain deity who approached him in the Jeta Grove, etc.
In other words, in the opinion of the speaker, the Abhidhamma was not taught by the Buddha. He has no way of knowing this, it is just his own opinion. By the same reasoning we could say that the teacher of gods and men (sattha devāmanussānaṃ) could not have taught the Maṅgala Sutta to a certain deity who approached him in the Jeta Grove, etc.
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That looks interesting.Mr Man wrote:And there was this - What the Buddha did not teach - Christopher Titmuss
http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=8879
Unfortunately, the lead link (in the OP of that thread, five years ago) to "Christopher Titmuss has published 42 items which he says were not taught by the Buddha." --
http://www.dharmafacilitators.org/index ... idnotteach
doesn't seem to work anymore.
Anyone know of another way to get to what Titmuss published?
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Hi cjmaciecjmacie wrote:That looks interesting.Mr Man wrote:And there was this - What the Buddha did not teach - Christopher Titmuss
http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=8879
Unfortunately, the lead link (in the OP of that thread, five years ago) to "Christopher Titmuss has published 42 items which he says were not taught by the Buddha." --
http://www.dharmafacilitators.org/index ... idnotteach
doesn't seem to work anymore.
Anyone know of another way to get to what Titmuss published?
You can view it here (using wayback machine)
https://web.archive.org/web/20111230025 ... idnotteach
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Great! Thanks. Curious as he was teacher of one of my teachers. Looking through this list, though, I think he's mistaken on several points. Oh well...Mr Man wrote:Hi cjmaciecjmacie wrote:That looks interesting. ...doesn't seem to work anymore... another way to get to what Titmuss published?Mr Man wrote:And there was this - What the Buddha did not teach - Christopher Titmuss
http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=8879
You can view it here (using wayback machine)
https://web.archive.org/web/20111230025 ... idnotteach
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Bhante,Bhikkhu Pesala wrote:There is a story that was made up, that the story about the Buddha teaching the Abhidhamma to his mother in Tāvatiṃsa was made up.
In other words, in the opinion of the speaker, the Abhidhamma was not taught by the Buddha. He has no way of knowing this, it is just his own opinion. By the same reasoning we could say that the teacher of gods and men (sattha devāmanussānaṃ) could not have taught the Maṅgala Sutta to a certain deity who approached him in the Jeta Grove, etc.
I have always read the narrative thus:
The Abhidhamma is technically attributed to Shariputta, not Gotama-Buddha, although, in the myth, it is believed that Shariputta, in order to recite this piece of Dhamma, learned the teaching right from Gotama-Buddha, supernaturally, after he had preached the teaching in a heavenly realm.
When the sangha preserved and eventually committed to text, the teachings, which we now call the "Pali Canon", what they were preserving was not mecessarily the exact words, in the exact language, in the exact phrasing, as it was once said, presumably, by the Buddha, in authentic history.
Rather than that, the sangha preserves the Dhamma, not just the words/exact-words/exact-language/exact-phrasing.
The Pali Canon is a linguistic manifestation and preservation of Dhamma, not necessary a manifestation and preservation of words/exact-words/exact-language/exact-phrasing.
This is why the Dhamma is not preserved in the texts alone (suttas), because the texts presume an insider knowledge of the subject material (Dhamma) that can only really be achieved through engagement with the sangha AND the texts, not by reading texts alone.
From this perspective, the Abhidhamma being attributed to Shariputta, seems to imply that it is not considered "mandatory Dhamma", although it is highly learnèd material, perhaps even material gleaned from Shariputta's insights on Buddhist teachings, rather than implying that it is not Dhamma, or "inferior" Dhamma.
Do you see problems in this line of thinking about Dhamma?
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Sublime & free, what is that obscured Eternity?
It is the Undying, the Bright, the Isle.
It is an Ocean, a Secret: Reality.
Both life and oblivion, it is Nirvāṇa.
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This is not the Classical Theravāda forum, so other views may be expressed here.
The orthodox account is given in the Commentary to Dhammapada v 181.
The orthodox account is given in the Commentary to Dhammapada v 181.
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Bhikkhu Pesala wrote:There is a story that was made up, that the story about the Buddha teaching the Abhidhamma to his mother in Tāvatiṃsa was made up.
In other words, in the opinion of the speaker, the Abhidhamma was not taught by the Buddha. He has no way of knowing this, it is just his own opinion. By the same reasoning we could say that the teacher of gods and men (sattha devāmanussānaṃ) could not have taught the Maṅgala Sutta to a certain deity who approached him in the Jeta Grove, etc.
Thank you Bhante
"whatever one frequently thinks and ponders upon will be the inclination of one's mind"