Delusion

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dhammarelax
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Delusion

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Hi Friends

Has anyone Sutta references that define delusion?

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Re: Delusion

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Hi dhammarelax,

Quote:- "Has anyone Sutta references that define delusion?"

That is an interesting question. I do not think that there is any such definition. And it is not just delusion, there are many things which are talked about frequently but are never defined.

The teachings seem to be in the form of a puzzle, where the noble disciple has to put various pieces together in order to arrive at a solution.

The reason for this is that the puthujjana understands the teachings in a different way from the noble disciple. So there are some things which cannot be explained directly, but only indirectly.

Some clues for aspiring noble disciples.

1. The Arahant is said to have eliminated greed, hatred, and delusion.

2. The Arahant has eliminated the asava's which includes the asava of ignorance.

3. The Arahant has broken all ten fetters, ignorance is one of the five higher fetters.

4. Since these cannot be different things they must be the same thing.

Step 1. - Work out how the four asava's correspond to the ten fetters.

Step 2. - Work out how the three unwholesome roots correspond to the ten fetters.

Step 3, - Since there is no explanation of 'delusion', or of the fetter of ignorance, or of the asava of ignorance, we have to look for something else which is identical to the asava's but uses another name.

There are further steps beyond these, this is one of the most complicated and difficult puzzles found in the teachings.

With kind regards, Vincent.
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Re: Delusion

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"Monks, there are these four perversions of perception, perversions of mind, perversions of view. Which four? 'Constant' with regard to the inconstant is a perversion of perception, a perversion of mind, a perversion of view. 'Pleasant' with regard to the stressful... 'Self' with regard to not-self... 'Attractive' with regard to the unattractive is a perversion of perception, a perversion of mind, a perversion of view. These are the four perversions of perception, perversions of mind, perversions of view.

"There are these four non-perversions of perception, non-perversions of mind, non-perversions of view. Which four? 'Inconstant' with regard to the inconstant is a non-perversion of perception, a non-perversion of mind, a non-perversion of view. 'Stressful' with regard to the stressful... 'Not-self' with regard to not-self... 'Unattractive' with regard to the unattractive is a non-perversion of perception, a non-perversion of mind, a non-perversion of view. These are the four non-perversions of perception, non-perversions of mind, non-perversions of view."


Perceiving constancy in the inconstant,
pleasure in the stressful,
self in what's not-self,
attractiveness in the unattractive,
beings, destroyed by wrong-view,
go mad, out of their minds.
Bound to Mara's yoke,
from the yoke they find no rest.
Beings go on to the wandering-on,
leading to birth & death.
But when Awakened Ones
arise in the world,
bringing light to the world,
they proclaim the Dhamma
leading to the stilling of stress.
When those with discernment listen,
they regain their senses,
seeing the inconstant as inconstant,
the stressful as stressful,
what's not-self as not-self,
the unattractive as unattractive.
Undertaking right view,
they transcend all stress & suffering.
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:namaste:
With no struggling, no thinking,
the mind, still,
will see cause and effect
vanishing in the Void.
Attached to nothing, letting go:
Know that this is the way
to allay all stress.

- Upasaka Kee Nanayon
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