Uposatha Observance Club

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Re: Uposatha Observance Club

Post by diligence » Fri Nov 24, 2017 6:36 am

Dhammanando wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:20 pm
diligence wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 5:39 am
Tomorrow (Nov.16) and the day after tomorrow(Nov.17) are two successive Uposatha Days :anjali:
Hapyy Uposatha Day :smile:

This might be the case on some other planet, :alien: but on ours the next uposatha is the new moon day on the 18th.
OMG :shock: Could it be possible that our Chinese calendar not the same as yours? Or was it misprinted?
Anyway, tomorrow(Nov.25) is an Uposatha Day, am I right? I'd like to make sure :thanks:
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Re: Uposatha Observance Club

Post by Dhammanando » Fri Nov 24, 2017 7:09 am

diligence wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2017 6:36 am
OMG :shock: Could it be possible that our Chinese calendar not the same as yours? Or was it misprinted?
Anyway, tomorrow(Nov.25) is an Uposatha Day, am I right? I'd like to make sure :thanks:
Between the calendars of Thailand, Sri Lanka and Myanmar, and between those of the Mahānikāya and Dhammayuttika Nikāya within Thailand, it's not uncommon for there to be a one-day difference in the calculation of uposatha days. I don't think there is ever a 2-day difference.

According to the Thai Mahānikāya calendar the eighth day of the waxing moon will be on 26th November.
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Re: Uposatha Observance Club

Post by Dhammanando » Fri Nov 24, 2017 7:22 am

Dhammanando wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2017 7:09 am
According to the Thai Mahānikāya calendar the eighth day of the waxing moon will be on 26th November.
And it appears to be on this date in all the other calendars too. You can compare them here:

https://dharma-records.buddhasasana.net ... ndars-2017
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Re: Uposatha Observance Club

Post by diligence » Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:38 am

Thank you very much, bhante :anjali:
From the calendars in the link, there are only two uposatha days each month whereas six days based on my previous calculations. Ok, I'll adjust according to international practice. :alien: :smile:
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Re: Uposatha Observance Club

Post by Dhammanando » Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:59 am

diligence wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:38 am
From the calendars in the link, there are only two uposatha days each month whereas six days based on my previous calculations.
The calendars show only the full moon and new moon uposathas. The other uposathas always fall on the eighth day after each of these.
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Re: Uposatha Observance Club

Post by diligence » Sat Nov 25, 2017 2:29 am

Dhammanando wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:59 am
diligence wrote:
Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:38 am
From the calendars in the link, there are only two uposatha days each month whereas six days based on my previous calculations.
The calendars show only the full moon and new moon uposathas. The other uposathas always fall on the eighth day after each of these.
Thank you bhante :anjali:

a little bit confused ~ then there are altogether four uposathas each month :?:
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Re: Uposatha Observance Club

Post by Dhammanando » Sat Nov 25, 2017 5:33 am

diligence wrote:
Sat Nov 25, 2017 2:29 am
a little bit confused ~ then there are altogether four uposathas each month :?:
Yes. Two great uposathas, when monks hold a Pāṭimokkha recitation, and two lesser uposathas on the eighth days of the waxing and waning moons.
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Re: Uposatha Observance Club

Post by Ruud » Sat Nov 25, 2017 7:06 am

Bhante,just to confirm, the procedure of determining Uposatha is as simple as:
- Find the days of full and new moon (for your location)
- These days and full-moon+8 and new-moon+8 are uposatha?

I always thought that the determination would be more complicated. Are any other rules applicable that should be kept in mind or is this it? In the past I have tried to find passages in the canon describing this but could never find anything very clear.
Dry up what pertains to the past,
do not take up anything to come later.
If you will not grasp in the middle,
you will live at peace.
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Re: Uposatha Observance Club

Post by mikenz66 » Sat Nov 25, 2017 7:31 am

Hi Ruud,

I can't answer your question directly, but clearly there are various choices that make it a little more complex.
Full moon will fall at some particular time on a particular day in a particular time zone. But perhaps you want Uposotha to be the day when the moon is full before the end of the night, rather than the day that the moon is full before middnight... Lots of choices there.

And using the local time zone could be really confusing. So we might use different dates here in New Zealand from Thailand, for example? Should we do the calculation correcting for local noon, or using the time-zone time?

In practice, one would tend to simply use the calendar for the particular Nikaya one belongs to to avoid people showing up on different days!

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Re: Uposatha Observance Club

Post by Dhammanando » Sat Nov 25, 2017 9:07 am

Ruud wrote:
Sat Nov 25, 2017 7:06 am
Bhante,just to confirm, the procedure of determining Uposatha is as simple as:
- Find the days of full and new moon (for your location)
- These days and full-moon+8 and new-moon+8 are uposatha?
Yes, some people do it like that. Others, as Mike mentioned, will prefer to follow the calendar of the particular tradition that they're affiliated with. For example, the Dhammayutt calendar if they're involved with Wat Metta or some other Dhammayutt wat, the Mahānikāya calendar if they're involved with an Ajahn Chah monastery, the Burmese calendar if it's a Burmese vihāra, etc.
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Re: Uposatha Observance Club

Post by binocular » Sat Nov 25, 2017 9:28 am

Dhammanando wrote:
Sat Nov 25, 2017 9:07 am
Yes, some people do it like that. Others, as Mike mentioned, will prefer to follow the calendar of the particular tradition that they're affiliated with. For example, the Dhammayutt calendar if they're involved with Wat Metta or some other Dhammayutt wat, the Mahānikāya calendar if they're involved with an Ajahn Chah monastery, the Burmese calendar if it's a Burmese vihāra, etc.
And if one is clever, one can hop from monastery to monastery and have uposatha pretty much every day! That ought to be an interesting experience.
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Re: Uposatha Observance Club

Post by diligence » Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:19 pm

I have learnt a lot about uposatha. Thank bhante! Thank āvuso!
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Re: Uposatha Observance Club

Post by Ruud » Mon Nov 27, 2017 3:01 pm

Bhante, mike, thank you for the clarifications.

Yes, I am familiar with the fact that different groups have different calendars (like in the like bhante also shared before). And as you say mike, probably it is much easier to follow the calendar of the group associate with than to work something out yourself. I was just curious how it was calculated and what would cause the difference between different groups. And in a way I exactly got my answer: in principle it is a relative simple procedure (practical and pragmatic), and different traditions probably just make their own specific choices.

It’s funny, because that only highlights that it is not really that important when we observe it and much more that we regularly do so...
Dry up what pertains to the past,
do not take up anything to come later.
If you will not grasp in the middle,
you will live at peace.
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Re: Uposatha Observance Club

Post by Dhammanando » Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:36 pm

Dhammanando wrote:
Sat Nov 25, 2017 5:33 am
Yes. Two great uposathas, when monks hold a Pāṭimokkha recitation, and two lesser uposathas on the eighth days of the waxing and waning moons.
A friend posted this on her Facebook page. The Thai caption, wan phra yai, is a pun. Normally it would mean the "great/major uposatha day", but in the present context its other possible meaning seems more fitting: "the day of the big monk".

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Re: Uposatha Observance Club

Post by diligence » Sat Dec 02, 2017 3:26 am

Tomorrow (Dec.3) is an uposatha day :anjali:
Hapyy Uposatha Day :smile:
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Re: Uposatha Observance Club

Post by Lucas Oliveira » Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:30 pm

Supermoon: search Sunday's skies for December's 'moon before yule'
Sunday’s full moon will be the first and last supermoon of the year, appearing 7% larger and 15% brighter than average – and may have a reddish hue
https://www.theguardian.com/science/201 ... efore-yule

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Re: Uposatha Observance Club

Post by Lucas Oliveira » Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:05 pm

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Photo of the Super Moon behind Pagoda in Myanmar, Southeast Asian country

Check out the Super Moon picture gallery this Sunday
Photos of the astronomical phenomenon were recorded by the world
https://g1.globo.com/ciencia-e-saude/no ... otos.ghtml


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Re: Uposatha Observance Club

Post by diligence » Sun Dec 10, 2017 10:38 am

Tomorrow (Dec.11, Monday) is an uposatha day :anjali:
Hapyy Uposatha Day :smile:
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Re: Uposatha Observance Club

Post by diligence » Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:20 am

Tomorrow (Dec.17, Monday) is an uposatha day :anjali:
Hapyy Uposatha Day :smile:
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Re: Uposatha Observance Club

Post by Lucas Oliveira » Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:08 pm

Puja + Suttas + Meditation + Dhamma Talks = Happy Uposatha Day

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