Buddhist response to Muslims

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Buddhist response to Muslims

Post by Anagarika » Thu Jan 08, 2015 10:53 pm

Where I live, there are some wonderful Muslim families. They simply want what most families want, to raise their children, to enjoy perhaps a better life that what they may have had in the country of origin. I am fairly sure that most of them want no part of violence, and have no sympathies or attachments to extremism or violent Islam.

There are other Muslims that clearly view violence against others as an appropriate tool by which to force their ideology on others, or to punish others that do not share their ideology.

As Buddhists, we need to investigate, and use rational means of inquiry to determine how we respond to violence perpetrated by Muslims, or any other fanatic ideology in the world. As there are peaceful Muslims who see no injunction in the Quran to harm or kill others. we need to cultivate relationships with peace loving Muslims to help root out those that are drawn to violence. We need to be vigilant, and attack the problem of Islamic fanaticism carefully and scientifically, without emotion or fear.

As Buddhist were are held to a higher standard and we should use all means to build bridges where they should be built, to cultivate compassion, and to apply our wisdom to rid our communities of violence where possible. I see even in my own extended family some virulent remarks about Muslims on Facebook, and it saddens me. By denigrating all Muslims as a whole, painting them with the same tar brush, we denigrate this man http://www.huffingtonpost.com/craig-con ... 48667.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" , and Muslims of similar hearts, and in doing so, we create just a touch more dark kamma in the world.

As Buddhists, we should expect the best of responses from ourselves, with the Dhamma as a guide, to the current terrors in the world. .

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Re: Buddhist response to Muslims

Post by Ben » Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:03 pm

Thank you SDC, it is heartwarming to know there is at least one other who shares my point of view.
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Re: Buddhist response to Muslims

Post by SarathW » Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:16 pm

:goodpost:
I agree with you.
I had dealing with good Muslims all my life.
One of my former employer was a Muslim and was very kind to me.
In Sri Lanka we had to suffer thirty year of war due to the Hindu extremist terrorist.
They bomb temples and killed monks , many civilians including people observing Uposatta. (Eight precepts)
However Sri Lankan Buddhist had lot of compassion and tolerant towards Hindu Tamils. (not to mention some extremist Buddhists which were a minority)
Eventually war come to an end due to terrorists own drawbacks. (with the support of some Hindus)
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Re: Buddhist response to Muslims

Post by Ceisiwr » Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:23 pm

We need to be vigilant, and attack the problem of Islamic fanaticism carefully and scientifically, without emotion or fear.
And what would you say causes Islamic fanaticism?

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Re: Buddhist response to Muslims

Post by culaavuso » Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:44 pm

clw_uk wrote: And what would you say causes Islamic fanaticism?
MN 9: Sammādiṭṭhi Sutta wrote: Now what is unskillful? Taking life is unskillful, taking what is not given... sexual misconduct... lying... abusive speech... divisive tale-bearing... idle chatter is unskillful. Covetousness... ill will... wrong views are unskillful. These things are termed unskillful.

And what are the roots of what is unskillful? Greed is a root of what is unskillful, aversion is a root of what is unskillful, delusion is a root of what is unskillful. These are termed the roots of what is unskillful.

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Re: Buddhist response to Muslims

Post by SarathW » Fri Jan 09, 2015 12:01 am

:goodpost: C

It is a great way to see the conflicts and conflicts resolutions.
There is no point of talking too much about what happened in the past (one thousand years or one year ago)
We should looking to what's happening now.
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Re: Buddhist response to Muslims

Post by Ben » Fri Jan 09, 2015 12:48 am

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Re: Buddhist response to Muslims

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Re: Buddhist response to Muslims

Post by Anagarika » Fri Jan 09, 2015 3:17 am

clw_uk wrote:
We need to be vigilant, and attack the problem of Islamic fanaticism carefully and scientifically, without emotion or fear.
And what would you say causes Islamic fanaticism?
Possibly a pathology of sorts. Black and white thinking arising from poor developmental experiences, parental abuse or parental indoctrination. Inferior education, or inferior levels of intelligence, including emotional intelligence. Poverty, or general dissatisfaction with life leading one to look for scapegoats. Greed, anger, delusion. The same kind of causes that bring about Xtian fanaticism, or any variety of fanaticism, such as Nazism. I found an article that discusses this is issue in some detail: http://www.humanreligions.info/fundamentalism.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Buddhist response to Muslims

Post by chownah » Fri Jan 09, 2015 3:40 am

clw_uk wrote:
We need to be vigilant, and attack the problem of Islamic fanaticism carefully and scientifically, without emotion or fear.
And what would you say causes Islamic fanaticism?
One of the causes is belief in rebirth. Islamic fanaticists believe that upon death and breakup of the body they will be reborn in either heaven or hell and that they are doing everything they possibly can to assure that they get the best rebirth possible in heaven.
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Re: Buddhist response to Muslims

Post by pegembara » Fri Jan 09, 2015 3:54 am

clw_uk wrote:
We need to be vigilant, and attack the problem of Islamic fanaticism carefully and scientifically, without emotion or fear.
And what would you say causes Islamic fanaticism?
Wrong view.

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And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech.

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Re: Buddhist response to Muslims

Post by DhammaOS » Fri Jan 09, 2015 4:29 am

I agree with Anagarika in his initial post. We need to look at this with rationality, and the solution to the problem is to attack it at its source, and violence is no the way to do that. Delusion, fear, hatred, etc...are all part of the human condition as it is, and Islam is no more immune to it than any other faith. When we understand what causes these things to arise, that is when there can be a change for the better.
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Re: Buddhist response to Muslims

Post by Mkoll » Fri Jan 09, 2015 4:33 am

chownah wrote:One of the causes is belief in rebirth. Islamic fanaticists believe that upon death and breakup of the body they will be reborn in either heaven or hell and that they are doing everything they possibly can to assure that they get the best rebirth possible in heaven.
chownah
That sounds like a confusing term to use, especially given its general use and meaning in Buddhist contexts like this forum. It would be more accurate to say that such people believe in eternal heaven (Jannah) and eternal hell (Jahannam).
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Re: Buddhist response to Muslims

Post by Mary50 » Fri Jan 09, 2015 5:29 am

As Anagarika said, many of us live with Muslim families as neighbours and friends, we work side by side with Muslim colleagues.


I keep thinking about the family of the slain police officer, Ahmed Merabet, who was described by the spokesperson for the Unité police union as a “very discreet and conscientious police officer, a good man.” He was also a French Muslim who did not support the glorification of violence.

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Re: Buddhist response to Muslims

Post by SarathW » Fri Jan 09, 2015 5:41 am

Mary50 wrote:As Anagarika said, many of us live with Muslim families as neighbours and friends, we work side by side with Muslim colleagues.


I keep thinking about the family of the slain police officer, Ahmed Merabet, who was described by the spokesperson for the Unité police union as a “very discreet and conscientious police officer, a good man.” He was also a French Muslim who did not support the glorification of violence.
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