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Buddhist response to Terrorism

Post by Ben » Fri Dec 26, 2014 5:38 am

Greetings all,
Last night I chanced upon A video of Ajahn Brahm giving a talk on the Buddhist response to Terrorism.
Given recent events in Pakistan and elsewhere, I thought posting. A link to it here may be of benefit to some.
The talk goes for about 1h5m, and I recommend it.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=you ... _BZfoQZYbk
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Re: Buddhist response to Terrorism

Post by SarathW » Fri Dec 26, 2014 7:24 am

Thanks Ben.
Great Dhamma talk by Ajahan Braham as always. :bow:
Please make sure you watch the whole video (including question and answers), otherwise you end up getting only the half picture and you will misunderstand his talk.

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PS:
Please see how real Buddhist react to terrorism by seen the following link:

The destruction of the Bahaminian Buddha statues by the Thaliban extremists which was considered as the largest Buddha Statue In the world today, provided the basic concept to creating the rock statue of this nature. The destruction of Buddha statue which was apprehended as a world heritage was scorned by the whole civilized world, Ven. Amaramoli Thero and the members of the statue carving committee who were deeply grieved over this barbaric action, made a firm determination to carve a large rock statue. Some ordained members of the clergy as well as some laymen thought that this idea can never be fulfilled


http://www.samadhibuddhastatue.lk/story.html#creation
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Re: Buddhist response to Terrorism

Post by Edith Clampton » Fri Dec 26, 2014 3:00 pm

I watched the video but I don’t think Ajahn Brahmavamso’s ideas will work. I mean it’s all very well spouting about Mahatma Gandhi, but Gandhi’s tactics only worked because he was dealing with the British. I don’t think they would have worked against the Moslems, Nazis and that sort of type.

It’s my belief that Billy Connolly’s suggestions are more likely to work than Ajahn Brahmavamso’s. He thinks that instead of dropping bombs on these people like we’ve been doing, it would be a lot better if we sent over planes full of high-class prostitutes and parachuted them in so that the Muslim males would get distracted and forget all about the 72 virgins that they think they’ll get for blowing themselves up.

Mr. Connolly’s other suggestion is that we should drop lots of books on them, such as Agatha Christie novels. His argument is that part of the reason that these people are such retarded savages is that at the moment they’ve only got one book to read. If we give them some more it will expand their mental horizons a bit and that will carry their societies some distance on the road to secularization. Then hopefully after another century or two Islam will become a harmless bunny rabbit just like the Church of England.

Anyhow, whatever might be the truth of the matter, here is Mr. Connolly’s video for anyone looking for a more realistic suggestion about how to deal with these horrible pests.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EInC73Kd37E

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Re: Buddhist response to Terrorism

Post by pulga » Fri Dec 26, 2014 4:27 pm

Edith Clampton wrote: Anyhow, whatever might be the truth of the matter, here is Mr. Connolly’s video...
And to think that Michael Savage is banned from entering the U.K. for expressing his views.

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Post by SarathW » Fri Dec 26, 2014 9:37 pm

When Japan was surrendered after world war 2 many nation suggested that Japan should be punished.
However the Sri Lankan President (then finance minister) quoted a verse from Dhamma Pada and pleaded that world should forgive them.
He said to the world "Hatred ceases not by hatred but by love"
For that, Japan still honour late Mr. J.R. Jayawardana. (had built many monuments to remember him)


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Re: Buddhist response to Terrorism

Post by Edith Clampton » Fri Dec 26, 2014 11:12 pm

pulga wrote:
Edith Clampton wrote:And to think that Michael Savage is banned from entering the U.K. for expressing his views.
Hello Pulga,

I had never heard of the man before, but taking a quick look at his Wikipedia page I’d say it’s not a big surprise that he wasn’t allowed in. He seems to me like one of the less pleasant sorts of bigot. I mean Britain doesn’t really need to go importing any of these foreign extremist types when we've already got loads too many of our own homegrown ones. That's why I’ve chosen to put my weight behind Billy Connolly, the best spokesman for those of us who believe in nuance and moderation.

To summarize: we’ve got two extremes to be avoided. First Michael Savage’s and Ann Coulter’s “Jesus and Buddha say nuke the mo fo’s and send ’em back to Allah!” and second Brahmvamso’s ineffectual “Buddha says hug a Moslem!” approach. In between these two extremes we’ve got the Middle Way of Billy Connolly: planeloads of whores and Agatha Christie novels to get the bloodthirsty terrorists to lighten up a bit and forget about the 72 after-death virgins nonsense. I don’t know about you lot, but what I found was that watching the Connolly video gave me renewed hope in humanity and brought back happy memories of Jackie DeShannon singing “What the World Needs Now is Love Sweet Love”.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fahg2q9IrAs

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Post by Modus.Ponens » Sat Dec 27, 2014 12:03 am

There is something terribly preverse perpetrated by the right wing in the USA and Europe. The right wing is seizing the moment of censorship to bomb and kill hundreds of thousands of people. In Iraq there are sound estimates that 1 000 000 people died in the conflict.

What I mean is this: the people who refuse to criticise islam (not muslims, islam) are usualy decent people. Yet what the Western society is doing is bombing muslim countries and barbarically killing hundreds of thousands of people. This is because the view that is prevailing is that the problem with terrorists is muslims, not islam itself. By not criticising islam out of political correctness, we are taking the decent people out of the dialogue. But the preversion of this apparently good attitude is the massacre in the middle east.
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Re: Buddhist response to Terrorism

Post by pulga » Sat Dec 27, 2014 12:53 am

Edith Clampton wrote: To summarize: we’ve got two extremes to be avoided. First Michael Savage’s and Ann Coulter’s “Jesus and Buddha say nuke the mo fo’s and send ’em back to Allah!” ...
I'm not a big fan of Michael Savage, but I do listen to his radio talk show now and then. He has a complex personality and isn't as one-sided as most conservative commentators are these days. Very popular in the Bay Area of California, he was a friend of Timothy Leary -- though he's very much against the drug culture. If you follow news from the U.S., he came out against George Zimmerman. He's the sort of ultra-conservative that liberals come to like, and I believe that is what makes him so threatening.

Although it is painful to some, I think it isn't such a bad idea for secular culture to make a mockery of all religions -- if only to hold them in check. It's when we suppress the truth and try to shape one another with lies in the name of cultural and religious sensitivity that we come to cheat ourselves as a society.
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Re: Buddhist response to Terrorism

Post by Modus.Ponens » Sat Dec 27, 2014 1:04 am

pulga wrote: Although it is painful, I think it isn't such a bad idea for secular culture to make a mockery of all religions -- if only to hold them in check. It's when we suppress the truth and try to shape one another with lies in the name of cultural and religious sensitivity that we come to cheat ourselves as a society.
Precisely! The first ammendment of the USA constitution, which is law/contitutional in every civilised country, was created precisely to prevent two types of tyrany: statal and religious. We have a false sense of security in the West and we go as far as thinking we don't need the first ammendment to protect us from each type of tyrany. Or the fourth ammendment, for that matter _ the right to privacy. I fear that one day all this will hit us a lot stronger than we may even imagine. All in the name of lies spread by the right wing of the western world. It's really despicable. Sensitivity is overthrowing truth with really severe consequences for everyone that doesn't profit from the selling of military equipment.
He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
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Post by pulga » Sat Dec 27, 2014 1:44 am

Modus.Ponens wrote:All in the name of lies spread by the right wing of the western world.
The left wing is just as culpable as the right.

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Post by Modus.Ponens » Sat Dec 27, 2014 2:28 am

pulga wrote:
Modus.Ponens wrote:All in the name of lies spread by the right wing of the western world.
The left wing is just as culpable as the right.
In the USA that's true. In Europe, there's a grey area. If you define the left as one of the two alternating parties in every country's government, then that's very true, unfortunately. But in all honesty, these parties are not left to me. They're just business men/mobsters, just like the right, except their words are more pleasing.

But the true left, like the greens in many countries, has to speak up on this. The left, even if it does not hold executive power, has always been the moral consciousness of european countries. If they don't do their duty of speaking up against islam, they end up allowing the massacre in the middle east. That is the sad story so far: we stand up to defend islam and end up leting muslims die.
He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
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Post by chownah » Sat Dec 27, 2014 3:23 am

but Gandhi’s tactics only worked because he was dealing with the British.
But Ganhi's tactics did not work. His goal was a single united India with muslims and hindus living together in peace.....he failed....there are now three countries in place of his single united one and two of them have been fighting continually ever since their founding.
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Re: Buddhist response to Terrorism

Post by Dhammanando » Sat Dec 27, 2014 11:40 am

Ben wrote:Last night I chanced upon A video of Ajahn Brahm giving a talk on the Buddhist response to Terrorism.
0:10:15 - 0:10:55 :thumbsup:

I’m glad to learn that I’m not the only bhikkhu who applauds the French government for its ban on the public wearing of the burqa‘ and niqāb and its refusal to compromise with the spokesmen for 7th century barbarism.

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Post by Ben » Sat Dec 27, 2014 12:18 pm

Dhammanando wrote:
Ben wrote:Last night I chanced upon A video of Ajahn Brahm giving a talk on the Buddhist response to Terrorism.
0:10:15 - 0:10:55 :thumbsup:

I’m glad to learn that I’m not the only bhikkhu who applauds the French government for its ban on the public wearing of the burqa‘ and niqāb and its refusal to compromise with the spokesmen for 7th century barbarism.
Dear Bhante,

And if it is the women themselves that wish to wear the niqab and burka as an expression of their devotion, how is it any different to a Buddhist lay person wearing white or a catholic nun wearing a veil?
With metta,
Ben
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Learn this from the waters:
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Post by Mkoll » Sat Dec 27, 2014 12:28 pm

Ben wrote:
Dhammanando wrote:
Ben wrote:Last night I chanced upon A video of Ajahn Brahm giving a talk on the Buddhist response to Terrorism.
0:10:15 - 0:10:55 :thumbsup:

I’m glad to learn that I’m not the only bhikkhu who applauds the French government for its ban on the public wearing of the burqa‘ and niqāb and its refusal to compromise with the spokesmen for 7th century barbarism.
Dear Bhante,

And if it is the women themselves that wish to wear the niqab and burka as an expression of their devotion, how is it any different to a Buddhist lay person wearing white or a catholic nun wearing a veil?
With metta,
Ben
Since we're getting into this topic again, here is a recorded debate featuring an actual Frenchman politician who supports the law and lays out the reasons why he does so. I might have gotten the video from this forum but I don't remember.

France is Right To Ban The Veil - A Debate
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Post by Edith Clampton » Sat Dec 27, 2014 12:49 pm

chownah wrote:But Ganhi's tactics did not work. His goal was a single united India with muslims and hindus living together in peace.....he failed....there are now three countries in place of his single united one and two of them have been fighting continually ever since their founding.
Hi Chownah,
No disagreement here. None at all! In a way I think you are really just repeating what I said — that Gandhian methods won't work when we have to deal with fanatical cut-throats like Muslims and Nazis. And so although the Mahatma could bend the British to his will with his fasting and marching and all the rest of it, he couldn't do a bally thing to thwart the rascally Muslim, Muhammad Ali Jinnah, in his project to create that bastion of Islamic backwardness that goes by the name of Pakistan. As for the separation of Bangladesh from Pakistan, Gandhi had been dead for 20 years when that happened, so we can't really call it a failure of HIS tactics.

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Post by Modus.Ponens » Sat Dec 27, 2014 12:59 pm

Ben wrote: Dear Bhante,

And if it is the women themselves that wish to wear the niqab and burka as an expression of their devotion, how is it any different to a Buddhist lay person wearing white or a catholic nun wearing a veil?
With metta,
Ben
Hello Ben.

Because it's not about the niqab, nor burka. If you look at France there is a severe problem with muslim imigration. So much so, that the fascists won the european elections for parliament. This is not to be taken lightly. The fascists won the French part of the european elections! As we are distracted splitting hairs about the niqab and the burka, the fascists are getting ahead. Am I the only one who is severely worried about fascism in Europe?

Europe was the main stage of the two world wars. The jews were the scape goats of the financial crisis before world war 2. Do we want to allow the fascists to turn muslims into the scapegoats of the 2008 financial crisis?

The difference between fascists who see a problem with islam, and decent people who see a problem with islam, is that decent people know the problem is with the religion, not the people. If decent people refuse to even admit to themselves that islam is a problem and think instead that "All religions are the same", the fascists will further their scapegoating of muslims.

So, even though idealy I would oppose to the prohibition of the niqab and burka, pragmatially that's completely unnacceptable. The problem with the religion of islam is very real and if we continue to give in to religious demands, we are fighting the wrong fight and I fear terrible consequences out of it. The 1 000 000 of Iraquis who have died already experienced this terribly preverse attitude towards the problem of terrorism.
He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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Post by Dhammanando » Sat Dec 27, 2014 2:16 pm

Dear Ben and James,

On the subject of Muslim women's dress I refer you to my posts in the Why the fuss about hijabs? thread and to Pat Condell's short video Ban the burka which addresses the case of those Muslim women who voluntarily wear the burqa‘ or niqāb (2:30 onwards).

The only thing I would wish to add to Condell's remarks are that these much-trumpeted cases of Muslim women in the West who, though perfectly free to dress as they wish, and though fully-exposed to Western Enlightenment values in general, and to feminism in particular, nevertheless choose to wear the burqa‘ or niqāb, — these cases are really just a smokescreen aimed at silencing critics of Islamic oppression of women by diverting attention from what is much more typically going on in Muslim communities.

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Post by cooran » Sat Dec 27, 2014 10:41 pm

I think the very best thing is just mixing with those who follow the teachings of Mohammed (pbuh) as you would with any other friend.
I have many acquaintances and friends who are followers of Islam. They are wonderful, intelligent, moral, non-racist, unprejudiced human beings. The women and girls wear the hijab. They all have one, sometimes two or more, degrees from University, some are married,some have children. Many were born in Australia, some not. All the women work in professions, and some own their own businesses. I have been invited to their homes, weddings and other family functions. I have, by invitation, attended multi religious gatherings at the local Holland Park Mosque.

But .... Haters gonna hate - no matter how they dress it up intellectually and quote so-called studies.

We should all continue to practice and follow the peaceful, loving teachings of the Blessed One, be inclusive of all and practise Metta and Karuna as he taught us,

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Post by tiltbillings » Sat Dec 27, 2014 11:06 pm

cooran wrote:Mohammed (pbuh)
I can understand the "praise be unto him" is if one is a Muslim, but not otherwise.
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