Is Buddhist cosmology disproved by science?

[BlueLotus]

I have been thinking.... The Buddha said that the universe expands creating different worlds and then it contracts and be destroyed. Then it will expand again and so on... This is pretty weirdly similar to the earlier big bang theory.

But, recently, scientists are having doubts that the universe will contract at all. They assume that it will keep expanding and either be ripped to pieces or completely freeze and die out as the distance between stars and planets gets ever so long.

Does this later scientific finding dispute the Buddha?

[Mkoll]

I have been thinking.... The Buddha said that the universe expands creating different worlds and then it contracts and be destroyed. Then it will expand again and so on... This is pretty weirdly similar to the earlier big bang theory.

But, recently, scientists are having doubts that the universe will contract at all. They assume that it will keep expanding and either be ripped to pieces or completely freeze and die out as the distance between stars and planets gets ever so long.

Does this later scientific finding dispute the Buddha?

AFAIK, all of the theories you've described are still open to debate. There is no scientific consensus regarding the fate of the universe.

[BlueLotus]

I have been thinking.... The Buddha said that the universe expands creating different worlds and then it contracts and be destroyed. Then it will expand again and so on... This is pretty weirdly similar to the earlier big bang theory.

But, recently, scientists are having doubts that the universe will contract at all. They assume that it will keep expanding and either be ripped to pieces or completely freeze and die out as the distance between stars and planets gets ever so long.

Does this later scientific finding dispute the Buddha?

AFAIK, all of the theories you've described are still open to debate. There is no scientific consensus regarding the fate of the universe.

That's true. But NASA scientists are saying that 90% of the glaring evidence is now for an ever-expanding universe. The expansion rate has in fact sped up over the last million years. They say there are two forces- dark matte and dark energy and the latter keeps it expanding and the former makes it contract and the latter takes up 75% of the universe at the moment.

[culaavuso]

That's true. But NASA scientists are saying that 90% of the glaring evidence is now for an ever-expanding universe. The expansion rate has in fact sped up over the last million years. They say there are two forces- dark matte and dark energy and the latter keeps it expanding and the former makes it contract and the latter takes up 75% of the universe at the moment.

An ever-expanding universe is not necessarily in conflict with the idea of an eventual destruction followed by another expansion. As an example of a model of this type, see conformal cyclic cosmology as developed by Roger Penrose. Consensus has not been reached regarding such theories.

[BlueLotus]

Interesting.... Anyway, when I first read the sutta about a contracting and expanding world, I was pretty amazed by how close it is to the actual scientific findings...

[culaavuso]

Interesting.... Anyway, when I first read the sutta about a contracting and expanding world, I was pretty amazed by how close it is to the actual scientific findings...

The thread Dhamma Aboard Evolution may be of interest, as the paper linked there discusses DN 27 with comparison to scientific understanding.

[Mkoll]

I have been thinking.... The Buddha said that the universe expands creating different worlds and then it contracts and be destroyed. Then it will expand again and so on... This is pretty weirdly similar to the earlier big bang theory.

But, recently, scientists are having doubts that the universe will contract at all. They assume that it will keep expanding and either be ripped to pieces or completely freeze and die out as the distance between stars and planets gets ever so long.

Does this later scientific finding dispute the Buddha?

AFAIK, all of the theories you've described are still open to debate. There is no scientific consensus regarding the fate of the universe.

That's true. But NASA scientists are saying that 90% of the glaring evidence is now for an ever-expanding universe. The expansion rate has in fact sped up over the last million years. They say there are two forces- dark matte and dark energy and the latter keeps it expanding and the former makes it contract and the latter takes up 75% of the universe at the moment.

Do you have a reference for that 90% number?

It should be noted that we don't even know what dark matter and dark energy are. But that doesn't stop us from coming up with theories based on them. It should also be noted that we're looking at this from a very limited perspective. We're not even a Type 1 civilization yet (we may never get there), we launched our first satellite only 57 years ago, and modern humans have only been around for about 0.00137931% of the universe's calculated age. There's a lot we don't know and some things we may never know.

Being hubristic regarding our knowledge tends to come natural to human beings. And that hubris is amplified many times when we're in an agreeable group.

[BlueLotus]

90% is a general number. No specific statistics.... At least I can't be bothered to look them up. I just said that scientists say "most of the evidence" is for an expanding universe. You can read about that in NASA site. The reason why it is called dark energy is precisely because they don't know what it is. But that doesn't disapprove its existence. Scientists know that some force exists but they still have no evidence to decide what it is. I agree that there is more that we don't know than we do.

[Kusala]

Interesting.... Anyway, when I first read the sutta about a contracting and expanding world, I was pretty amazed by how close it is to the actual scientific findings...

And this was 2500 years ago...

[BlueLotus]

Yes. Isn't it in Iron age India? Pretty amazing if you think about it... He was an amazing man

[Zom]

Quite interesting on BBC:

"Billions of dark matter particles pass through us every second. "They are in your office, in your room, everywhere," says Frenk. "They are crossing through your bodies at a rate of billions per second and you feel nothing.

It's a humbling reminder of how far we still have to go before we really understand our Universe. We may understand all sorts of things, from the beginning of the Universe to the evolution of life on Earth. But most of our Universe is still a black box, its secrets waiting to be unlocked."

http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20150824 ... se-made-of" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Keith]

Observational bias.

I'd be wary when looking for links between science and Buddhism. Buddhism doesn't need to be scientifically correct to be useful and affective, and certainly it would be madness to disregard something from science because it contradicts something in the Pali Canon, so does it really matter how scientifically accurate the Pali Canon is?

[dhammacoustic]

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[Vanda]

Chaos theory ~

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[No_Mind]

Hinduism (or the religion that later came to be known as Hinduism) provides a model of cosmology closest to modern understanding. The entire universe is created and then destroyed and that there is a cycle of creation and destruction.

The time scales match at least to some extent that of modern science. Hindu cosmology estimated life of universe at 8.64 billion years. That is far less than the actual time scale - universe is 13 billion years old and will last another 6 billion years but at least way closer than other religions.

Pretty amazing if you think about it... He was an amazing man

This was a general idea floating around at that time in the Indian subcontinent and not unique to Buddhism. Hindu Cosmology or Kalpa

I am not saying Buddhist cosmology is wrong (or right). Like Karma is a shared concept in Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism and no one can say this particular religion discovered concept of Karma .. same in this case.

But since his philosophy is amazing, Buddha was an amazing teacher. No doubt about that.