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Ajahn Brahms "Gender Equality and Empowerment of Women..."

Posted: Sat May 24, 2014 8:25 am
by cooran
Hello all,

Worth reading.

Ajahn Brahmavamso "Gender equality and the Empowerment of women in Theravada Buddhism"

http://sujato.wordpress.com/2014/05/23/ ... -buddhism/

With metta,
Chris

Re: Ajahn Brahms "Gender Equality and Empowerment of Women..

Posted: Sat May 24, 2014 8:47 am
by Mkoll
Thanks for sharing, Chris.
Rosa Parks became a Buddhist before she passed away in 2005 aged 92.
Didn't know that! She made a very wise decision. :tongue:
Moreover, many of these Buddhists are in undeveloped or developing countries where the empowerment of women is crucial for those countries’ economic development and social progress.
Very true.
Therefore, full ordination of women is part of the earliest tradition. It is also the declared wish of the Lord Buddha
This is the crux of their argument that the bhikkuni order should be reinstated and I think it is solid. They provide a sutta reference and there are many more. But the devil is in the details, namely in the patimokkha rules. Those who will fight this change will use that as ammunition.

Re: Ajahn Brahms "Gender Equality and Empowerment of Women..

Posted: Sat May 24, 2014 10:56 am
by TheNoBSBuddhist
Sadly, he never actually got to deliver this speech.

Re: Ajahn Brahms "Gender Equality and Empowerment of Women..

Posted: Sat May 24, 2014 11:09 am
by tiltbillings
Mkoll wrote:Thanks for sharing, Chris.
Rosa Parks became a Buddhist before she passed away in 2005 aged 92.
Didn't know that! She made a very wise decision.
Read the comments:
I understand that Rosa Parks became associated with Soka Gakkai at the end of her life.

Re: Ajahn Brahms "Gender Equality and Empowerment of Women..

Posted: Sat May 24, 2014 11:46 am
by pilgrim
On a related issue
The Urgency of Recognition: Female Buddhist monastics in Bangladesh
http://newlotus.buddhistdoor.com/en/news/d/40044

Re: Ajahn Brahms "Gender Equality and Empowerment of Women..

Posted: Sat May 24, 2014 12:13 pm
by Sokehi
tiltbillings wrote:
Mkoll wrote:Thanks for sharing, Chris.
Rosa Parks became a Buddhist before she passed away in 2005 aged 92.
Didn't know that! She made a very wise decision.
Read the comments:
I understand that Rosa Parks became associated with Soka Gakkai at the end of her life.
So has she been Shakubuku'd?

Re: Ajahn Brahms "Gender Equality and Empowerment of Women..

Posted: Sat May 24, 2014 12:32 pm
by pilgrim
Ajahn Brahm speaks about the cancellation of his presentation of his paper.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI2fxfE2ZR8#t=19

Re: Ajahn Brahms "Gender Equality and Empowerment of Women..

Posted: Sat May 24, 2014 12:46 pm
by Sokehi
pilgrim wrote:Ajahn Brahm speaks about the cancellation of his presentation of his paper.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI2fxfE2ZR8#t=19
I'm listening to it right now, are around minute 25. did he yet mention the reason for the ban or did I miss something?

Re: Ajahn Brahms "Gender Equality and Empowerment of Women..

Posted: Sat May 24, 2014 1:02 pm
by TheNoBSBuddhist
Not yet....

And I'm on minute 15... so I have another 10 minutes (at least!!) of not having a clue why.....?!

:jawdrop:

Re: Ajahn Brahms "Gender Equality and Empowerment of Women..

Posted: Sat May 24, 2014 1:12 pm
by TheNoBSBuddhist
I'm not sure he ever even explains WHY - he expounds his reaction to it, but I'm still listening....

...About minute 44 - to 45.....

Re: Ajahn Brahms "Gender Equality and Empowerment of Women..

Posted: Sat May 24, 2014 1:41 pm
by pilgrim
He said that a monk came up to him and advised that his paper was banned, but he did not say if he was told the reason. But I think we can make a fair guess.

Re: Ajahn Brahms "Gender Equality and Empowerment of Women..

Posted: Sat May 24, 2014 5:02 pm
by DNS
:twothumbsup: :bow:

Excellent paper by Ajahn Brahm.

Re: Ajahn Brahms "Gender Equality and Empowerment of Women..

Posted: Sat May 24, 2014 6:34 pm
by Mkoll
tiltbillings wrote:
Mkoll wrote:Thanks for sharing, Chris.
Rosa Parks became a Buddhist before she passed away in 2005 aged 92.
Didn't know that! She made a very wise decision.
Read the comments:
I understand that Rosa Parks became associated with Soka Gakkai at the end of her life.
I did. Still a wise decision, IMO.

Re: Ajahn Brahms "Gender Equality and Empowerment of Women..

Posted: Fri May 30, 2014 2:15 pm
by Sokehi
Here we go :toilet:
BD Dipananda/Raymond Lam: Banning Ajahn Brahm’s speech on nuns was a spectacular own-goal by the International Council for the Day of Vesak
http://sujato.wordpress.com/2014/05/30/ ... -of-vesak/

Re: Ajahn Brahms "Gender Equality and Empowerment of Women..

Posted: Fri May 30, 2014 3:02 pm
by TheNoBSBuddhist
Thank you sokehi.

The more I read of this, the more difficult i find it to not have unskilful thoughts about those blocking ordination for women.

The more they protest, the more untenable and baseless their position becomes.

Ridiculous.