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Ajahn Brahms "Gender Equality and Empowerment of Women..."

Post by cooran » Sat May 24, 2014 8:25 am

Hello all,

Worth reading.

Ajahn Brahmavamso "Gender equality and the Empowerment of women in Theravada Buddhism"

http://sujato.wordpress.com/2014/05/23/ ... -buddhism/

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Post by Mkoll » Sat May 24, 2014 8:47 am

Thanks for sharing, Chris.
Rosa Parks became a Buddhist before she passed away in 2005 aged 92.
Didn't know that! She made a very wise decision. :tongue:
Moreover, many of these Buddhists are in undeveloped or developing countries where the empowerment of women is crucial for those countries’ economic development and social progress.
Very true.
Therefore, full ordination of women is part of the earliest tradition. It is also the declared wish of the Lord Buddha
This is the crux of their argument that the bhikkuni order should be reinstated and I think it is solid. They provide a sutta reference and there are many more. But the devil is in the details, namely in the patimokkha rules. Those who will fight this change will use that as ammunition.
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Post by TheNoBSBuddhist » Sat May 24, 2014 10:56 am

Sadly, he never actually got to deliver this speech.
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Post by tiltbillings » Sat May 24, 2014 11:09 am

Mkoll wrote:Thanks for sharing, Chris.
Rosa Parks became a Buddhist before she passed away in 2005 aged 92.
Didn't know that! She made a very wise decision.
Read the comments:
I understand that Rosa Parks became associated with Soka Gakkai at the end of her life.
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Post by pilgrim » Sat May 24, 2014 11:46 am

On a related issue
The Urgency of Recognition: Female Buddhist monastics in Bangladesh
http://newlotus.buddhistdoor.com/en/news/d/40044

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Post by Sokehi » Sat May 24, 2014 12:13 pm

tiltbillings wrote:
Mkoll wrote:Thanks for sharing, Chris.
Rosa Parks became a Buddhist before she passed away in 2005 aged 92.
Didn't know that! She made a very wise decision.
Read the comments:
I understand that Rosa Parks became associated with Soka Gakkai at the end of her life.
So has she been Shakubuku'd?
Get the wanting out of waiting

What does womanhood matter at all, when the mind is concentrated well, when knowledge flows on steadily as one sees correctly into Dhamma. One to whom it might occur, ‘I am a woman’ or ‘I am a man’ or ‘I’m anything at all’ is fit for Mara to address. – SN 5.2

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Post by pilgrim » Sat May 24, 2014 12:32 pm

Ajahn Brahm speaks about the cancellation of his presentation of his paper.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI2fxfE2ZR8#t=19

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Post by Sokehi » Sat May 24, 2014 12:46 pm

pilgrim wrote:Ajahn Brahm speaks about the cancellation of his presentation of his paper.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI2fxfE2ZR8#t=19
I'm listening to it right now, are around minute 25. did he yet mention the reason for the ban or did I miss something?
Get the wanting out of waiting

What does womanhood matter at all, when the mind is concentrated well, when knowledge flows on steadily as one sees correctly into Dhamma. One to whom it might occur, ‘I am a woman’ or ‘I am a man’ or ‘I’m anything at all’ is fit for Mara to address. – SN 5.2

If they take what's yours, tell yourself that you're making it a gift.
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Post by TheNoBSBuddhist » Sat May 24, 2014 1:02 pm

Not yet....

And I'm on minute 15... so I have another 10 minutes (at least!!) of not having a clue why.....?!

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Post by TheNoBSBuddhist » Sat May 24, 2014 1:12 pm

I'm not sure he ever even explains WHY - he expounds his reaction to it, but I'm still listening....

...About minute 44 - to 45.....
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Post by pilgrim » Sat May 24, 2014 1:41 pm

He said that a monk came up to him and advised that his paper was banned, but he did not say if he was told the reason. But I think we can make a fair guess.

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Post by DNS » Sat May 24, 2014 5:02 pm

:twothumbsup: :bow:

Excellent paper by Ajahn Brahm.

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Post by Mkoll » Sat May 24, 2014 6:34 pm

tiltbillings wrote:
Mkoll wrote:Thanks for sharing, Chris.
Rosa Parks became a Buddhist before she passed away in 2005 aged 92.
Didn't know that! She made a very wise decision.
Read the comments:
I understand that Rosa Parks became associated with Soka Gakkai at the end of her life.
I did. Still a wise decision, IMO.
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Post by Sokehi » Fri May 30, 2014 2:15 pm

Here we go :toilet:
BD Dipananda/Raymond Lam: Banning Ajahn Brahm’s speech on nuns was a spectacular own-goal by the International Council for the Day of Vesak
http://sujato.wordpress.com/2014/05/30/ ... -of-vesak/
Get the wanting out of waiting

What does womanhood matter at all, when the mind is concentrated well, when knowledge flows on steadily as one sees correctly into Dhamma. One to whom it might occur, ‘I am a woman’ or ‘I am a man’ or ‘I’m anything at all’ is fit for Mara to address. – SN 5.2

If they take what's yours, tell yourself that you're making it a gift.
Otherwise there will be no end to the animosity. - Ajahn Fuang Jotiko

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Post by TheNoBSBuddhist » Fri May 30, 2014 3:02 pm

Thank you sokehi.

The more I read of this, the more difficult i find it to not have unskilful thoughts about those blocking ordination for women.

The more they protest, the more untenable and baseless their position becomes.

Ridiculous.
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