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Big Boat or small Boat?

Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 11:06 am
by Gaoxing
I think all are familiar with the simile of the guy that's suppose to leave his boat at the river once he's crossed it.

I started reading on the "Wheel" and I must say that I feel a bit overwhelmed by all the knowledge here. Jeeeesslike and Mary of Joseph who alluded me!

No offence intended! I mean WOW!

Do you guys and girls think it's possible to cross the river with a tiny boat, or should I start to panic? :toilet: :embarassed:

:rolleye:

Re: Big Boat or small Boat?

Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 11:40 am
by daverupa
http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=10766" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"Lord, this recitation of more than 150 training rules comes every fortnight. I cannot train in reference to them."

"Monk, can you train in reference to the three trainings: the training in heightened virtue, the training in heightened mind, the training in heightened discernment?"

"Yes, lord, I can train in reference to the three trainings: the training in heightened virtue, the training in heightened mind, the training in heightened discernment."

"Then train in reference to those three trainings."

AN 3.83

Re: Big Boat or small Boat?

Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 11:55 am
by Alobha
Hey Gaoxing,

don't worry. Get the basics covered: A good understanding of the noble eightfold path, the four noble truths, how to meditate and you're fine.

The reason you see many very specific questions / topics is that people sometimes benefit from input to figure out things they stumble upon in their own practice. Dhammawheel is helpful for that, but most questions solve themselves via practicing the noble eightfold path. Bhikkhu Manapo once suggested to apply KISS to the practice: Keep It Simple, Stupid!
It's a good advice not just for starters, if you ask me :)

Best wishes,
Alobha

Re: Big Boat or small Boat?

Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 12:10 pm
by Gaoxing
Thanks Folks!

I think I was just trying to say the 'Wheel' is great for knowledge.

Maybe I let go too much. I mean I have one book I've been working on for years and each time I read it I have a new understanding. It's the book that told me about Buddhism about 13 years ago.

On a more serious note I would really hate to be the guy that walks around on the other side of the river with the 'Wheel' under my arm! (That was a serious joke meant as a compliment!) :bow:

I hope someone benefits from this thread! :embarassed:

Re: Big Boat or small Boat?

Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 1:32 pm
by SDC
Don’t panic. We specialize in nitpicking and dead horse beating. :D

There is a tremendous body of information out there (not just on DW), but you do not need to know all of it to practice. If you learn the core principals you will realize that a great deal of what is out there serves to drive those principals home, and you can have a fulfilling practice without knowing them all.

I think much depends on what you want out of the practice and how far you are willing to go. This level of devotion will help you apply what you learn to your daily life. This is the important part of the practice - living it. Don’t worry about every little detail. You can spend a lifetime trying to memorize every detail, but unless you are applying it to your life it is useless.

Re: Big Boat or small Boat?

Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 1:56 pm
by Ben
SDC wrote:Don’t panic. We specialize in nitpicking and dead horse beating. :D

There is a tremendous body of information out there (not just on DW), but you do not need to know all of it to practice. If you learn the core principals you will realize that a great deal of what is out there serves to drive those principals home, and you can have a fulfilling practice without knowing them all.

I think much depends on what you want out of the practice and how far you are willing to go. This level of devotion will help you apply what you learn to your daily life. This is the important part of the practice - living it. Don’t worry about every little detail. You can spend a lifetime trying to memorize every detail, but unless you are applying it to your life it is useless.
:goodpost:

Re: Big Boat or small Boat?

Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 2:49 pm
by reflection
In my opinion, Buddhism isn't about knowledge, it's about wisdom, which represents itself in feelings rather than intellectual stuff. I think it's always good to have a solid basis in your practice rather than knowledge. Because thoughts are always wrong, as in not 100% correct. Some take the way with suttas leading their practice, others take the way of practice leading the suttas. It's just what you prefer, but in the end even suttas are not right, because they are knowledge, not wisdom. The Buddha's insights were very simple; it's just like it is. But a problem arises when we don't see how it is, so he used many words to get us to change our view. But these words were not the view itself. So no need to remember the words if we can just see.

It's like somebody trying to explain what an elephant looks like. He can talk for hours and hours, but it's better if we just take a look. So instead of arguing whether it's green or red, it turns out to be grey.

Re: Big Boat or small Boat?

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:02 am
by SDC
Thanks, Ben.

Re: Big Boat or small Boat?

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:15 am
by bodom
Hi Gaoxing

Please see the Buddhadasa Bhikkhu quote in my signature below. :smile:

:anjali:

Re: Big Boat or small Boat?

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:53 am
by Bhikkhu Pesala
Whether your boat is small or big, don't load it with excess baggage and passengers, and concentrate on rowing your own boat.

Re: Big Boat or small Boat?

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 3:33 am
by DAWN
All waves leads to the ground.
But by making a river calm,
you will cross it by swiming on your arm.

Re: Big Boat or small Boat?

Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 4:43 am
by Gaoxing
reflection wrote:In my opinion, Buddhism isn't about knowledge, it's about wisdom, which represents itself in feelings rather than intellectual stuff. I think it's always good to have a solid basis in your practice rather than knowledge. Because thoughts are always wrong, as in not 100% correct. Some take the way with suttas leading their practice, others take the way of practice leading the suttas. It's just what you prefer, but in the end even suttas are not right, because they are knowledge, not wisdom. The Buddha's insights were very simple; it's just like it is. But a problem arises when we don't see how it is, so he used many words to get us to change our view. But these words were not the view itself. So no need to remember the words if we can just see.

It's like somebody trying to explain what an elephant looks like. He can talk for hours and hours, but it's better if we just take a look. So instead of arguing whether it's green or red, it turns out to be grey.
Thanks Guys and Girls, I found all of your responses to be very encouraging. I particularly liked the quoted response from 'Reflection'. Wisdom takes time though and sometimes skilful means are almost impossible to come by.

It makes me think of how sensitive people can be and also cultural differences. To be skilful requires a lot of patience and sometimes an unskilful word has effects that seems to never go away. I would have given up everything I have if I could spend a day or two in the Buddha's presence.

I sometimes get the feeling he was a ‘not-so-sensitive’ teacher.

What do you think?