This won't last forever...

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This won't last forever...

Post by amtross » Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:24 pm

So, I'm going through some stuff these days which is leading to much Dukha. While trying to be with the rising and falling of feelings, emotions and mindstates, I often find myself thinking "Well, this isn't going to last forever...". This thought does give some comfort and on the surface it seems like a wholesome thought because, it is, in fact, true. Everything is impermanent. However, I don't trust it because it is cleary arising out of aversion.

My question is, do you think this is a wholesome or unwholesome thought?

My thinking is that it may depend on how I relate to this thought. If I just take comfort in the reality of impermance, its a great coping mechanism. But, if I start relying on some perceived result of impermance...if I start envisioning how great my life will be when the problems I'm currently dealing with have resolved...I've just bought myself a whole 'nother bucket o dukha. :jawdrop:

Thoughts?

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Re: This won't last forever...

Post by Goofaholix » Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:40 pm

amtross wrote:So, I'm going through some stuff these days which is leading to much Dukha. While trying to be with the rising and falling of feelings, emotions and mindstates, I often find myself thinking "Well, this isn't going to last forever...". This thought does give some comfort and on the surface it seems like a wholesome thought because, it is, in fact, true. Everything is impermanent. However, I don't trust it because it is cleary arising out of aversion.

My question is, do you think this is a wholesome or unwholesome thought?

My thinking is that it may depend on how I relate to this thought. If I just take comfort in the reality of impermance, its a great coping mechanism. But, if I start relying on some perceived result of impermance...if I start envisioning how great my life will be when the problems I'm currently dealing with have resolved...I've just bought myself a whole 'nother bucket o dukha. :jawdrop:
Too much recursive analysis just leads to more dukkha.

If you remind yourself "this will also change" then this is truth. If you notice yourself attaching to this truth and that this helps you cope then just notice the attachment and the coping... and so remind yourself "this will also change".

Maybe this is just part of the process, maybe it's what you need right now, who knows/ who cares? If you notice what is gouing on you've done your job, no need to try and dig up more than may be there.
“Peace is within oneself to be found in the same place as agitation and suffering. It is not found in a forest or on a hilltop, nor is it given by a teacher. Where you experience suffering, you can also find freedom from suffering. Trying to run away from suffering is actually to run toward it.” ― Ajahn Chah

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Re: This won't last forever...

Post by bodom » Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:41 pm

If there’s anything you have to think about, keep your thoughts on the themes of inconstancy, stress and not-self. You have to keep the mind thinking and labeling solely in reference to these sorts of themes, for if your thinking and labeling are right, you’ll come to see things rightly. If you go the opposite way and label things wrongly, you’ll see things wrongly as well. This keeps the mind completely hidden from itself.

Now, when thoughts or labels arise in the mind, then if you focus on watching them closely, you’ll see that they’re sensations—sensations of arising and disbanding, changeable, unreliable and illusory. If you don’t make an effort to keep a focused watch on them, you’ll fall for the deceptions of thought-fabrication. In other words, the mind gives rise to memories of the past and fashions issues dealing with the past, but if you’re aware of what’s going on in time, you’ll see that they’re all illusory.

- Upasika Kee Nanayon
The heart of the path is so simple. No need for long explanations. Give up clinging to love and hate, just rest with things as they are. That is all I do in my own practice.

Do not try to become anything. Do not make yourself into anything. Do not be a meditator. Do not become enlightened. When you sit, let it be. When you walk, let it be. Grasp at nothing. Resist nothing.

Of course, there are dozens of meditation techniques to develop samadhi and many kinds of vipassana. But it all comes back to this-just let it all be. Step over here where it is cool, out of the battle.

- Ajahn Chah

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Re: This won't last forever...

Post by amtross » Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:03 pm

Many thanks! you both said things that were very helpful
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Goofaholix wrote: ...
If you remind yourself "this will also change" then this is truth. If you notice yourself attaching to this truth and that this helps you cope then just notice the attachment and the coping... and so remind yourself "this will also change".
bodom wrote:

If you don’t make an effort to keep a focused watch on them, you’ll fall for the deceptions of thought-fabrication. In other words, the mind gives rise to memories of the past and fashions issues dealing with the past, but if you’re aware of what’s going on in time, you’ll see that they’re all illusory.

- Upasika Kee Nanayon

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