Why Buddha did not say that the world is round?

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Re: Why Buddha did not say that the world is round?

Post by ganegaar » Tue Jan 17, 2017 8:15 am

well, Buddha did not say the world is flat either!.
Buddha being a Buddha only speaks of what is useful, and true, and timely. (was there a fourth quality?)
Sīlepatiṭṭhāya naro sapañño, cittaṃ paññañca bhāvayaṃ;
Ātāpī nipako bhikkhu, so imaṃ vijaṭaye jaṭanti.

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Re: Why Buddha did not say that the world is round?

Post by justindesilva » Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:55 pm

SarathW wrote:
This great earth, Ananda, is established upon liquid
Yes, I think it is quite a statement.
I always thought liquid is established upon earth and the space is establish on earth and water.
:embarassed:
Well if Lord Budda mentioned about the shape of the earth as sphere he would have been wrong.
Any astronomer knows that the earth is not perfectly spherical. At the two poles the shape is somewhat flattened and even along the equator the earth is not mathematically circular. In fact the trajectory of the earth is elliptical.
The earth is also conditioned by changing phenomena and is also dependant on karma of its population as said in Kammana vattathi loko, world is processed by karma.
And with the exposure of damma I cannot understand why Lord Budda should be speaking of the irregularities of the earth shape when it is more important to educate the world population of suffering and it's cessation.

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Re: Why Buddha did not say that the world is round?

Post by cappuccino » Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:46 pm

This great earth, Ananda, is established upon liquid
The Earth's interior is composed of four layers, three solid and one liquid—not magma but molten metal

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Re: Why Buddha did not say that the world is round?

Post by SarathW » Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:49 am

What is the source of the follwoing?
Is it from Tipitaka?

From another forum:
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Buddhism says about the rounded shape of the earth. You can see it from this explanation about the continents in Earth which says the first continent is connected to the last continent.

These are the four main continents on earth according to Buddhism which are connected to the next continent as a circle:

1.) Jambudvīpa (Sanskrit) or Jambudīpa (Pāli)
2.) Pūrvavideha or Pubbavideha
3.) Aparagodānīya or Aparagoyāna
4.) Uttarakuru

Jambudvīpa is connected to Pūrvavideha,
Pūrvavideha is connected to Uttarakuru,
Aparagodānīya is connected to Uttarakuru,
Uttarakuru is connected to Jambudvīpa too.

The rounded shape of the earth made the connection between Uttarakuru and Jambudvīpa. So those four continents in Buddhism indirectly says the rounded shape of the Earth.

When it is midday on the continent of Jambudvīpa, the sun is setting on the continent of Pūrvavideha in the east and rising above the continent of [Apara]godānīya in the west, while it is midnight on the continent of Uttarakuru in the north. When it is midday in [Apara]godānīya, the sun is setting in Jambudvīpa and rising in Uttarakuru, while it is midnight in [Pūrva]videha. When it is midday in Uttarakuru, the sun is setting in [Apara]godānīya and rising in [Pūrva]videha, while it is midnight in Jambudvīpa. When it is midday in [Pūrva]videha, the sun is setting in Uttarakuru and rising in Jambudvīpa, while it is midnight in [Apara]-godānīya. Here when Jambudvīpa is in the east [at sunrise], [Pūrva]videha is in the west. If Jambudvīpa is in the west [at sunset], [Pūrva]videha is in the east. If [Apara]godānīya is in the west, Uttarakuru is in the east. If Uttarakuru is in the west, [Apara]godānīya is in the east. (Page #: 295-296 https://www.bdkamerica.org/system/files ... 3_2018.pdf 3)

Uttarakuru is the highest continent of the three continents [besides Jambudvīpa], this
land surpasses the others and so is called Uttarā, which in the Indian language means “highest.”

Suresh
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Re: Why Buddha did not say that the world is round?

Post by chownah » Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:56 am

SarathW wrote:
Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:49 am
What is the source of the follwoing?
Is it from Tipitaka?

From another forum:
============
Buddhism says about the rounded shape of the earth. You can see it from this explanation about the continents in Earth which says the first continent is connected to the last continent.

These are the four main continents on earth according to Buddhism which are connected to the next continent as a circle:

1.) Jambudvīpa (Sanskrit) or Jambudīpa (Pāli)
2.) Pūrvavideha or Pubbavideha
3.) Aparagodānīya or Aparagoyāna
4.) Uttarakuru

Jambudvīpa is connected to Pūrvavideha,
Pūrvavideha is connected to Uttarakuru,
Aparagodānīya is connected to Uttarakuru,
Uttarakuru is connected to Jambudvīpa too.

The rounded shape of the earth made the connection between Uttarakuru and Jambudvīpa. So those four continents in Buddhism indirectly says the rounded shape of the Earth.

When it is midday on the continent of Jambudvīpa, the sun is setting on the continent of Pūrvavideha in the east and rising above the continent of [Apara]godānīya in the west, while it is midnight on the continent of Uttarakuru in the north. When it is midday in [Apara]godānīya, the sun is setting in Jambudvīpa and rising in Uttarakuru, while it is midnight in [Pūrva]videha. When it is midday in Uttarakuru, the sun is setting in [Apara]godānīya and rising in [Pūrva]videha, while it is midnight in Jambudvīpa. When it is midday in [Pūrva]videha, the sun is setting in Uttarakuru and rising in Jambudvīpa, while it is midnight in [Apara]-godānīya. Here when Jambudvīpa is in the east [at sunrise], [Pūrva]videha is in the west. If Jambudvīpa is in the west [at sunset], [Pūrva]videha is in the east. If [Apara]godānīya is in the west, Uttarakuru is in the east. If Uttarakuru is in the west, [Apara]godānīya is in the east. (Page #: 295-296 https://www.bdkamerica.org/system/files ... 3_2018.pdf 3)

Uttarakuru is the highest continent of the three continents [besides Jambudvīpa], this
land surpasses the others and so is called Uttarā, which in the Indian language means “highest.”

Suresh
Since its from the "BDK English Tripiṭaka Series" and copyrighted by "Bukkyō Dendō Kyōkai" (it says so right in the article you linkded) it seems very very unlikely that it is from the tipitaka.
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Re: Why Buddha did not say that the world is round?

Post by SarathW » Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:14 am

Thanks.
Is this Mahayana or something else?
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Re: Why Buddha did not say that the world is round?

Post by Dhammanando » Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:16 am

SarathW wrote:
Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:49 am
What is the source of the follwoing?
Is it from Tipitaka?
It's from the 30th sūtra in the Chinese Dīrgha Āgama. Some parts of it have parallels in the Pali Tipiṭaka:

Kokālika Sutta AN 10.89; SN 6.10; Snp 3.10
Turūbrahma Sutta SN 6.9
Devadūta Sutta AN 3.36; MN 130

But there's no Pali parallel to the sūtra's long section on the earth's geography.
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If ye thus walk in them, Māra will find no lodgement, Māra will find no foothold.”
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Re: Why Buddha did not say that the world is round?

Post by SarathW » Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:24 am

But there's no Pali parallel to the sūtra's long section on the earth's geography.
Thank you, Bhante.
So where the Chinees Agama got this idea from?
How far this can be traced back to?
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Re: Why Buddha did not say that the world is round?

Post by Dhammanando » Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:31 am

SarathW wrote:
Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:24 am
So where the Chinees Agama got this idea from?
How far this can be traced back to?
If you read the sūtra in the BDK link (it's the very last one, starting on page 151) you'll see it's quite a composite work, combining some material that's typical of the Nikāyas as a whole with other material of a kind that in the Theravada texts would be more typical of the commentaries.
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If ye thus walk in them, Māra will find no lodgement, Māra will find no foothold.”
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