chownah wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:12 pm
Really the suttas do not give a definition of perception...or consciousness....or some other pertinent stuff.
Of course the suttas (MN 43; SN 22.79; SN 12.2) give a definition of both perception & consciousness, as I posted. As I previously posted, perception in the suttas is defined as something extremely basic, such as the differentiating between colours. The suttas say consciousness, perception & feeling are inseparable (MN 43; MN 111) and say both perception & feeling together are the citta sankhara (MN 44).
After devoting meditation to perception this morning, my view is:
1. consciousness is the coming into experiential existence of a thing; such as the coming to be of a breath (experientially)
2. perception is discerning or discriminating the features/characteristics of that thing, such as a breath. This discerning or discriminating is not a mere label but a prolonged sustained stream of discernment (such as the throbbing, long, smooth, agitated sensations, etc, qualities of a breath)
My point is I think it cannot be concluded that perception must happen after
feeling. I think perception & feeling occur together with consciousness, as literally stated in MN 43.
Goofaholix wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:39 pm
I think those are all descriptions of the experience, descriptions are sankhara. Sanna is more a non verbal recognition.
I agree with this; that sanna is non-verbal. However, I regard sanna as discernment or discrimination (but which can later be articulated descriptively, which is sankhara).