Zenainder wrote: reflection wrote:
I'd say, yes, it is the mind looking at itself. When the 5 external senses shut down in meditation, that becomes quite clear. Then again the mind is no "thing", so it is just a process looking at itself.
The dhamma eye is a metaphor for seeing the dhamma, understanding the dhamma. It is not a real eye or something. The dhamma eye is said to be dustless, as a comparison with people who have dust in their eyes and don't see clearly the four noble truths.
Hope this helps.
As always, your input is helpful.
Reading "The Abhidhamma in Practice" it mentions "awareness is the process of cittas experiencing objects." I am concluding this is the same awareness I regarded as the process of "looking within" I referred to. What makes understanding this hard is confusing it as a "self" or object (even in the most subtle way), when in reality (like everything else) it is a process; a flux. Relationally connected to the "self" delusion is "here" and "there", which likely convuluted my understanding in thinking there was "something" looking upon a process --- even itself.
If my understanding is to some degree accurate, then its of interests to practice awareness skillfully (mindfulness). And I circle back to the practice *sighs happily* welcome to Buddhism. lol. I've been drawing circles for a long time now, haven't I?
Consciousness has been a difficult topic to digest. Remaining open and refraining from confusing it with the modern ideal of consciousness which is more or less a soul. Dependent origination is certainly an engaging topic to study within and academically.
Glad to be of help.
I don't know any Abhidhamma, that needs to be said first. Not saying it is wrong or right, but I simply never needed it in my practice.
But yes, it is hard to see and accept there is no duality between the looking and the looked at. In other words, hard to see and really feel that there is no "something" that looks on, that there is no "self" there. So hard that in my eyes entire branches of Buddhism rely upon one or the other form of this wrong perception.
And so yes, that's why practice is important. That's why I referred to the meditation. A thing like this is hard if not impossible to understand and embrace from an external point of view. However, if we have the right information and the right courage we get from meditation, the mind may be able to see through this delusion.
People have different views on jhana as you probably know, but in my view, in jhana the 5 senses are not there, the mind goes inward and 'looking' and 'looked at' blend together. There, it can be seen it is all emptiness. It can be seen that if the object would disappear, so would consciousness, because they are the same. If you are interested in understanding it like this (I'm not saying there is another way or not), then I think you can, but yes, only through practice. I don't think it is beyond any serious practitioner's ability.
Hope this can help you a bit.